Since starting this web site, I’ve received several emails asking me about the Jewish over-representation in the media and the thesis advanced by Kevin McDonald that Jewish ethnocentricism is responsible for their domination of the elites of certain occupations.
I would like to address it, knowing that that I will probably be attacked and hated by some of the readers of this blog.
First let me say that I’m not Jewish, though the person who made me realistic about racial issues is. I have spent the last couple of years writing on racial realism (and almost never on Judaism) and now spend hours daily writing my blog on issues important to those who oppose anti-white racism. I hope those who disagree with me can do so without generating hostility.
In my response, I will try to give an intellectual response that absolutely does not resort to name-calling. I would hope that everyone who chooses to disagree will give me the courtesy of pointing out where I am wrong rather than calling me names and accusing me of things.
Here’s my issue with Kevin McDonald. Forget blacks and Jews. Imagine there are 2 groups and group one is much more successful than group two. GROUP ONE cites IQ differences. GROUP TWO ignores IQ differences and claims that the only way to achieve success is by purposely persecuting others.
Which group does Al Sharpton belong to? The second one. He refuses to recognize the Black-White IQ differences.
Where do race realists stand? In group one. We recognize that it is IQ that makes whites more successful than blacks everywhere from Paris to Zimbabwe.
Where does McDonald stand? He too is in group two. He believes that Jews are wealthy and dominate the media because of a purposeful strategy, not individual success of the high-IQ people.
So which is it, ethnocentricism or high IQ?
Other groups are just as liberal and just as ethnocentric as the Jews. Jewish ethnocentrism has nothing to do with Judaism, which naturally greatly effected Christianity, but more to do with the Jews’ Middle Eastern roots. Everyone in the Middle East is tribal.
Take Armenians for example. They also have made great efforts for their own lobby and pressured many politicians, most recently causing the US troubles with Turkey when the Congress recognized their genocide. There are actually several Armenian lobbying groups including http://www.anca.org, www.aadlc.org and www.armenpac.org.
Armenians are just as liberal as the Jews when they vote.
But who cares about them? Nobody. Why? They weren’t as successful at it as the Jews. Why? If all you need to succeed is ethnocentrism and a decent IQ (which they have), why didn’t they succeed? The answer is that their IQ is not higher than the general population so their success rate isn’t higher. Their ethnocentricism doesn’t concern anyone because you can’t count their successful individuals and complain about “disparate impact”.
But is ethnocentrism even necessary in combination with a higher IQ to achieve success? Those concerned with Jews say ‘yes’. But then why are Zimbabwean whites more successful than Zimbabwean blacks, even under Mugabe? Ethnocentrism? I highly doubt it. Race realists believe that Rhodesians succeeded where Zimbabweans failed because of their higher IQ.
High IQ alone is enough for individuals to rise to the top. Even without their ethnocentrism, high-IQ Jews would be in the same position where they are now.
Now let’s consider if the US would be in better shape had our media been dominated by non-Jewish whites. The first question we must ask is if the destructive, anti-Western pathologies are present in white countries without a significant a Jewish population now or in the last few centuries.
If the Jews are responsible for the anti-white pathologies in the US, one would not see the same exact thing in Spain, Finland or Norway.
Unfortunately, the anti-white fervor is even stronger there than in the US, complete with multiple amnesties for illegals just in the last few years and total surrender to Muslims. In fact, the idea that “Western cultural hegemony” must be destroyed was originally developed by a non-Jewish Italian Antonio Gramsci in the early 1920s.
This, more than anything, undermines the thesis that Jews are responsible for anti-white pathologies. If you conduct a scientific experiment with 10 ingredients, and you take out one of those (the Jews), but the result is the same, wouldn’t that suggest that this particular ingredient is not responsible for the reaction?
So then how do we square this with the fact that Jews tend to be liberal and have the power to promote their ideology?
To answer this we must ask if Jewish individuals are more leftist than non-Jews in the same position? Are professors of Sociology more liberal if they are Jewish than Gentile, for example?
All the evidence suggests that no, they are not.
Ian Jobling did a good job describing what he termed The Destructive Class. This class of people tends to be particularly anti-white and because of the jobs they have (journalism, teaching), they are particularly able to promote their viewpoints.
Were the Jews of the Destructive Class replaced with non-Jews, only the last names would look differently, but the ideology would remain, as is evidenced by the far-left radicalism of European media and academia that lacks a significant number of Jews, as well as the far-left tendencies of non-Jewish professors and journalists in the United States.
The Jews are just more likely to achieve the highly competitive positions as tenured professors and journalists for major media. Why is that? Kevin McDonald and Al Sharpton say that it’s due to their purposeful communal efforts. But if that were the case, why didn’t blacks come to dominate politics, media and education, even though they have been much more aggressive than Jews in wrest to take control of these and other fields. Clearly, ethnocentrism, no matter how intense, does not produce the desired results in the absence of ability.
Another factor that undermines the idea that Jewish ethnocentrism is responsible for their success is the breakdown of why some groups of Jews succeed and others do not. In one of my articles, I asked the question of why would IQ test-preparers favor some people over others, even within a particular race (the Japanese over Hawaiians, for example).
I must ask the same question here. If Judaism is a strategy to benefit the Jews, why are the Askhenazi more successful than the Sephardi? Why are Syrian Sephardic Jews more successful than Yemeni Sephardic Jews?
In fact, the most-successful Jews are the leftists who tend to be the least ethnocentric. The least economically-successful Jews in the U.S. are the ultra-orthodox, who are also the most ethnocentric.
So is it just a coincidence that the success of different groups of Jews correlates with their average IQ?
On an individual level, why would some Jews be favored over others? Common sense suggests that the “favored” would have to be well-connected.
So then how do explain that the largest media company in the world, Google, was “given” to a Jew named Sergei Brin and a half-Jew named Larry Page? They were just these two college kids without any influence or even minimal involvement in the Jewish community. Why were they “chosen”, pardon the pun? Or maybe they just succeeded on their own?
So the next question we must ask is whether Jews succeed just in destructive, leftist occupations, which would prove McDonald’s theory that they are a parasitic influence on the West.
Many people have written about the Jewish over-representation among Communist leaders in the early days of the Soviet Union. But Jews also dominated the most successful classes of post-Soviet, rugged capitalist Russia. Maybe Russian Jews were just able to out-compete Russian Slavs? Maybe Russian Slavs are having a hard time building their country because they face many of the same cultural problems as blacks: substance abuse (vodka instead of crack) and promiscuity among their women (blacks have the highest rate of AIDS, followed by the Russians).
Furthermore, the presence of Jews in the early Soviet governments did not prevent Moscow from criminalizing Zionism as a felony punishable by many years of imprisonment in Siberian gulags.
Leftist American Jews are also anti-Zionist. Many race realists like to cite Noel Ignatiev as if he’s the spokesman for the Jewish lobby. However, a quick review of his web site reveals that he not only believes in the abolition of the white race, but also of what he terms “the Jewish caste”. Not a word that he’s ever written has anything positive to say about Israel and his feelings towards the Jewish community are decidedly negative.
Many Islamist and openly anti-Semitic web sites love to cite Israel Shahak, another anti-Western Jewish intellectual who believed that Israel has no right to exist.
Another famous Jewish anti-white professor is Normal Finkelstein, who has written books arguing that Israel has no right to exist and attacking the Jewish community. Again, he never had a single positive word for the Jewish state or community.
Every anti-white Jewish intellectual I’ve ever had the misfortune to deal with is also anti-Zionist and despises the Jewish community as much as he despises the white race and the United States.
How many of the “Jewish” leftists have ever gone to Israel or even to their local synagogue? These “Jews” seem to remember that they are Jewish only when it comes time to attack Israel.
Zionists call them “self-hating Jews”. If they really are self-hating, it would make sense that they would hate their white skin and their American citizenship.
It is, of course, true that Jews have been phenomenally successful on the far-left, but they have also been very successful on the right. The most well-known and probably best philosopher among race realists is Michael Levin. While some feel that American Renaissance invites Jews because they want to prove that they aren’t anti-Semitic, I think that the primary is that these are great speakers who have something useful and interesting to say. Inviting bad, stupid, boring speakers just because they are Jewish would destroy the organization, and I doubt Jared Taylor would want to risk that. Even if Mr. Taylor invited Rabbi Mayer Schiller only because he wanted to highlight rabbinic support for his views, something I strongly doubt, ask yourself this question: which priest or minister could he invite who speaks so prominently and so openly in mainstream media on the issues important to race realists? The Church has been among the most destructive influences in promoting anti-Western pathologies and demographic changes, far more so than religious Jewry.
On the immigration front, Dan Stein is the President of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and another Jew is their Media Director.
In economics, many Jews have become very prominent. In the mainstream, there is the moderately conservative former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan. Slightly to the right of him is the Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman. In the libertarian right, there is Ayn Rand. In the Austrian school of economics, Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard are the superstars of their generations.
Jews were also instrumental in founding the New York Stock Exchange, hardly a bastion of liberalism.
In non-political fields, Jews won more Nobel Prizes in medicine and sciences than anyone else, even the much larger nations.
The American nuclear bomb was developed by the Manhattan Project, run by a Jew named Robert Oppenheimer and his mostly Jewish assistants, who built on the accomplishments of other Jews like Albert Einstein.
All that hardly seems like a way to undermine this country. In fact, the nuclear bomb and the New York Stock Exchange are more responsible than anything else for giving this country its status as a superpower.
We now see that Jews succeed across the board, not just on the anti-white left. They dominate the leftist media, but they also dominate medical, computer and military inventions. They are highly prominent on Wall Street, in science laboratories and in just about any field requiring high mental ability.
Blacks dominate the NBA and other occupations requiring a high level of physical skill. Jews dominate major media and other occupations requiring a high level of intellectual skill.
Could it be just their ability, that Jews succeed in the media, medicine, law, computers and sciences? Maybe they succeed for the same reason blacks succeed in sports?
And so we get back to the uncomfortable question of IQ differences. We like to cite black-white gaps as proof that discrimination is not the cause black failure. But are we brave and honest enough to admit that Jewish success might be due to their IQ?
In conclusion, I’d like to leave you with a quote from Fred Reed, a non-Jewish speaker at the last American Renaissance conference:
- I get a steady rivulet of strange mail telling how horrible Jews are. Apparently there is no crime of which they are not guilty. I find myself wondering: How do they find the time to be so evil? Are they on amphetamines or something?
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Yet still I get the strange mail. I have wondered why the weird hostility to Jews. It is weird. I loathe a lot of people, and constantly try to add to the list, but I’m not obsessive about it. People who worry about Jews are obsessive. It eats them up. They see Jews peeking from everywhere. When the New York Times, a Jewish paper, supported Bush’s war on Iraq, as did almost the whole country, it was on orders from Jerusalem. When the Times turned editorially against the war, as had almost the whole country, it was to Stab Our Boys in the Back. You know, the leftwing anti-American Jew media. Everything whatever is controlled by Jews, with malign purpose. Why?
Charles Murray, who isn’t, is the coauthor of The Bell Curve. Writing in Commentary, a Jewish magazine, he notes the following:
In IQ the average American Jew is at the 75th percentile. Six times as many Jews as others have an IQ of better than 140. The imbalance increases for still higher IQ’s. In 1954, on an IQ test given to all kids in the public schools of New York, of those scoring above 170, 24 of 28 were Jews. This is neither new nor debatable. Those who study such things, most of whom are not Jewish, have known it for decades. Writes Murray, “In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.” Uh…yeah.
If you say on the web that Jews are smart, you get furious mail saying no they aren’t, no they aren’t, no…they…are NOT, in a rising scream. This leaves the writers in the interesting position of saying that Jews control publishing, television, the press, retail, wholesale, Hollywood, Wall Street, international banking, the research institutions, the schools, and the universities. But they aren’t very smart. (I forgot planetary motion. They control planetary motion.) (And watermelon futures. Never forget watermelon futures.)
In my experience of Jews, which is considerable, they aren’t just bright but, worse, they respect intelligence and scholarship, in anybody. If you speak three languages or play a good game of chess or made high scores on your GREs, they are likely to say, “Geez, that’s really good.” With Jews, being a nerd doesn’t carry the opprobrium it does elsewhere.
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Being smart, they rise, especially in a brain-intensive civilization, and then seem to control things, and to an extent do, and the rest resent them. (Hitler detested Jews as a genetically inferior people who dominated German intellectual life.) It is easy to hate what you feel inferior to. This is why people who disliked the Russians hated the French, why people who merely dislike blacks hate Jews. It was impossible to feel inferior to Russians, who wore bad suits. Just as in the band-saw shriek of feminists, “We are too equal,” there is audible a fear that maybe they aren’t, in the anti-Semites insistence, “They did it by conspiring,” there is a worry that maybe they didn’t.
Here is my beef with both sides of the issue, probably moreso with GROUP ONE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy
Irrespective of what kind of statistics you can trot out, or what ethnic heritage you can cite, you need to stand on your own.
Yeah, I’m a WASP’s WASP. I joined the military, got myself some edumacation, and I’m doing OK.
Cries of “unfairness” need to be a) backed up with genuine evidence of discriminatory behavior (wouldn’t deny it occurs) or b) viewed as passive aggression.
But then, Socialism, in my opinion, _is_ the ultimate form of passive aggression.
For those of you wondering about the media…yep it’s Jewish controlled. We have this guy Lenny (a Levite) who lives in Cleveland with his wife and two kids. Lenny inherited the media-control job from his father, Mel, who in 1942 was able to convince the New York Times and other western newspapers to bury coverage of the Holocaust on page 27.
All the news media in the world report to Lenny. As a news director, he is the best we’ve had for centuries. It was Lenny who thought up the idea that most news media should slant their coverage against Israel. He figured that if reporters give the impression that Jewish blood is cheap, no one would figure out that we were actually running things. A few years ago Lenny won a UJA (Underground Jewish Action) award for coming up with the idea that media should not use the word “terrorist” when a Jew was killed.
As far as foreign policy goes, it’s been Jewish controlled for a long time. Even recently deceased Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was in on it; he just acted like he hated Jews to throw people off the trail.
And by the way, the Saudis were right; Barbie dolls were created as a plot to destroy the minds of Muslim children. And about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, can you believe that some people still think that’s a forgery?!
I think the most fun project we have done recently is giving the Iranians the underwater missile technology, not only did we put a flaw in the system, but we can hardly wait for the Iranian government to find out that they are a bunch of Zionist tools.
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You argue that being clanish isn’t what makes a group successful, it’s high IQ. Then you state that Armenians are clannish, but aren’t successful, because they have average IQ. But the reality is that Armenians are very successful, and are extremely over-represented in the arts, science, medicine, law, and politics, keeping in mind there are just 7-8 million of them in the world and no more than 1 million in the U.S. They are also extremely over-represented among the super-rich (those in the hundreds of millions and above). If a group needs high IQ to become successful like the Armenians, then how did the Armenians, a clannish group, do it with their average IQ?
I must admit, I didn’t do a lot of research on Armenians, but it’s clear that they are not as overrepresented as the Jews, not even close, even though they are at least as clannish, maybe more so. Upon further research, their IQ is somewhat about average, which coincides with their achievement levels.
Given that none of your research has any basis in science or the scientific method, I’ll just point one more thing out for you to ponder: Armenia has more chess GMs per capita than any country in the world by far. The closest (and a distant) second is Israel.
Also, you said, “Upon further research”, can you please cite the results of that research. I’d like to see where you are getting your information about IQ. Thanks.
Armenians are excellent chess players, but most of the World Chess Champions are Ashkenazi Jews.
Not only does Israel have fewer Jews than the US (and until 20 years ago, fewer than the Soviet Union too), but most Israelis are Sephardic Jews, who have very average IQ scores.
Therefore, it would make sense that diaspora Jews, 90% of whom are Askhenazi, would make up vastly more chess champions and grandmasters than Israeli Jews.
Arguably the greatest chess player of all time is Gary Kasparov, who’s half-Ashkenazi and half-Armenian.
Gjywhite,
Are you sure about your conclusions. See, for example, this article from the UK that sites a study concluding that the Armenians form the country’s most successful ethnic group.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article634244.ece
The statistics are clear: Jews have power because they have been blessed by God. The only problem with them is that most still resist to Christ.
Just to respond to a few of your points:
You write:
“Where do race realists stand? In group one. We recognize that it is IQ that makes whites more successful than blacks everywhere from Paris to Zimbabwe.
Where does MacDonald stand? He too is in group two. He believes that Jews are wealthy and dominate the media because of a purposeful strategy, not individual success of the high-IQ people.”
According to this review, Kevin MacDonald does not deny that Ashkenazic Jews have a very high IQ. However, they also have a high degree of ethnocentrism. It is not an either-or thing. Jews needed both to have the degree of success they did. Armenians, blacks, and Sephardic Jews had the ethnocentrism but not the exceptional IQ. I don’t see what is the big difficulty with this. IQ is part of the reason for Jewish dominance, but not sufficient to explain it by itself.
Also ethnocentrism could be taken to an extreme where it leads to isolation. If your group has no connections at all to other groups, it is not likely to rise to the top in a multiethnic society. A few marriages out of the group may wind up increasing trust with the dominant group — WASPs in early America. That’s probably the issue with the ultra-Orthodox Jews. They have just about isolated themselves.
“If the Jews are responsible for the anti-white pathologies in the US, one would not see the same exact thing in Spain, Finland or Norway.
Unfortunately, the anti-white fervor is even stronger there than in the US, complete with multiple amnesties for illegals just in the last few years and total surrender to Muslims. In fact, the idea that “Western cultural hegemony” must be destroyed was originally developed by a non-Jewish Italian Antonio Gramsci in the early 1920s.”
Ideologies and explanations for phenomena spread easily once they are widely accepted among experts in a field. It doesn’t require the same ethnic composition in a different nation to adopt an already-fashionable theory, especially if it is accepted as “scientific”, as, for instance, anti-racialist anthropology was. The Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, and many Latin Americans and Africans adopted Marxism even though the originators of Marxism — which was thought by many to be “scientific” — were exclusively Western Europeans. So it is not surprising that European countries with very few Jews have adopted anti-whitism.
“Leftist American Jews are also anti-Zionist.”
I admit that many admirers of MacDonald assume that ethnically conscious Jews must be pro-Israel. But why would that necessarily be so? Some probably think the Jews would be better off living in a country like America, as long as they have enough influence in that country to protect their own people. Since they don’t see the future of the Jews as being primarily in Israel, they take anti-Israel positions.
Also, I don’t think MacDonald assumes that Jews are 100% immune to the self-hating ideology that’s common among whites. Some of them believe in hard-core leftism and place other minorities higher on the hierarchy of deserving peoples than themselves. This may give the appearance that they are “self-hating Jews”, since they seem to prefer to help nonwhites to themselves. Still, these people usually hate white gentiles most of all.
At any rate, thanks for laying out your argument so that I can see where you’re coming from.
John,
That’s the best analysis of the negative Jewish influence I’ve seen.
I do, however, think that multiculturalism that was promoted by Jews to help themselves turned into a Frankenstein monster.
If you are a high IQ group that’s looking to go to school or get competitive jobs, you suffer from affirmative action more than anyone. Incitement of blacks by “understanding” their concerns led to Crown Heights, for example.
I really think that those Jews born around WWI first convinced their own children, who then ran with it to an extreme that harms them as well as European-Americans.
Guy White, that sounds reasonable.
Yes, affirmative action does probably affect Jews very negatively. However, since they tend to think having a diverse society is the only way to avoid persecution, most Jews think it does them more good than harm over the long haul.
John,
That would be a sad, sad state of events if it were true. When a person is so blind to reality that he’ll harm himself for the sake of ideology, his destruction via the same Kool-Aid is assured.
Do you know if Jews still support affirmative action? They haven’t been promoting black rights as much, or at least as vocally, since the 1970s when affirmative action was imposed. Just got tired of it or a change of heart?
Have you seen any polls on Jewish support of affirmative action and Third World immigration?
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Guy White, this link says 46% of Jews “supported affirmative action ‘to address racial discrimination’,” as opposed to 45% of whites. This in spite of, as you say, Jews winding up on the short end of affirmative action disproportionately often because of their high average IQ.
I must say, the Jewish support for affirmative action and anti-Semitic Third World immigrants really makes you doubt the whole premise of a high Jewish IQ. How dumb. Whether as whites or as Jews, they should oppose both.
Affirmative action has benefited Jews. In her ‘The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration’, Carol Swain writes that the diversity rational, used to justify affirmative action, was used by universities to limit the number of Jews in incoming classes. Harvard restricted Jews to 10-16% of any given class. Based on the estimates shown, Jews gained enormously from the current affirmative action programme.
Re: Norway/Finland
“Bonnier (also the Bonnier Group) is a privately-held Swedish media group of 150 companies operating in 21 countries. It is controlled by the Bonnier family. The company was started in 1804 by Gerhard Bonnier in Copenhagen, Denmark when Bonnier published his first book, Underfulde og sandfærdige kriminalhistorier. Gerhard’s sons later moved to Sweden. The Bonnier publishing companies now include Albert Bonniers förlag and Wahlström & Widstrand in Sweden. The Danish Bonnier Forlagene includes Lindhart og Ringhof and Carlsen. The Group’s subsidiary in Finland is Tammi, and the subsidiary in Norway is Cappelens forlag. Bonnier is the leading publisher of children’s books in Germany, where it also publishes fiction. Bonnier publishing operations are also established in the UK and in France, Australia and USA. Bonnier is controlled by around 75 family members – including some seventh generation heirs.”
The Bonnier family is an influential Swedish family of German-Jewish origin, active in the publishing business since the 19th century. The family controls the media group Bonnier AB.
“According to Bonnier’s Annual Report 2001 (page 9) in 2001 the corporation made 39,5 per cent of its net turnover outside of Sweden. The country division of the total net turnover of 16 839 million Swedish crowns (1 Swedish crown = 0,11 euros) was as follows:
Sweden 10,190
Denmark 1,747
Norway 1,509
Germany 1.374
Finland 748
Great Britain 357
Latvia 235
Spain 139
Lithuania 117
Netherlands 80
France 65
Other markets 278″
“I must ask the same question here. If Judaism is a strategy to benefit the Jews, why are the Askhenazi on average more successful than Sephardi?”
The better question is, why are you looking at averages? When you evaluate a group, you look at the aggregate.
And who says the Ashkenazim are “on average” more successful than Sephardim? How many Sephardim were killed between 1933 and 1945? Yes, the Ashekenazim are more intelligent, but there’s more to success than intelligence.
“Where do race realists stand? In group one. We recognize that it is IQ that makes whites more successful than blacks everywhere from Paris to Zimbabwe.”
This is too simplistic. Yes, the white race is more intelligent than the black, but there are lots of other characteristics that are relevant as well.
“So which is it, ethnocentricism or high IQ?”
Both, plus a recognition of the value of the mass media.
“So the next question we must ask is whether Jews succeed just in destructive, leftist occupations, which would prove McDonald’s theory that they are a parasitic influence on the West.”
That’s not MacDonald’s theory. And that’s not the right question. The right question is whether the destructive movements MacDonald discusses could have arisen without Jewish influence.
Desmond,
Harvard limited Jews to 16% based on affirmative action rationale. When it was lifted, they grew to much more than 16%. I don’t know if you are Jewish or not, but any Jew who thinks affirmative action benefits him is insane.
Guy,
What are the Harvard numbers today? 40% Jewish? Harvard Law school? 65% Jewish? If so, it’s Euro-Americans and probably in particular WASPS who are disenfranchised by affirmative action. Not Jews.
Herbert Marcuse, Theodore Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Franz Boas, Magnus Hirschfeld, Freud, Friedan, Gould, Lewontin, Sontag, Ignatiev, and a hundred other genetically jewish radical intellectuals support the more realistic thesis that jews are disproportionately responsible for anti-White pathologies.
Remove the one non-jew ingredient and we would still have cultural marxism, political correctness, feminism, and anti-White anti-racism. What deserves the attention is the negative impact on Whites and disproportionate jewish contribution, whatever the proportion, whatever the cause.
You seem well aware that bashing Whites is perfectly normal. Yet even the mildest disrepect for jews is considered a hate crime. How is this justified?
You cite the NYSE, Greenspan, Rothbard, and Oppenheimer favorably, without any sense of irony. Legalized pyramid schemes, open border anarcho-capitalism, and atomic weapons. The value of these “innovations” to Whites is dubious. The harm is more clear.
What do you think causes “anti-semitism”? You seem to be arguing it is some combination of White cowardice, dishonesty, jealousy, and insanity.
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I have to side with Mr. Savage on this one.
The chemistry analogy is flawed. That kind of reasoning is valid with respect to hard sciences but not social science. As Savage correctly notes, once an idea has been put into general circulation, it continues without the necessary input of its founders. It would certainly be inaccurate to say that the average feminist is a communist, but it is a fact that feminism was repackeged by a Jewish communist named Betty Friedan in 1963. A Red revived the doctrine-and then the doctrine took off by a bunch of air hole head females who have no conception of its true origins.
Guywhite is highly intelligent but needs to do more research into Jewish mentality – like MacDonald.
Jews have many divisions within their ranks. The communists quarrel with the zionists, the neo-cons quarrel with the leftists, etc., etc. But Jews always unite against the outside enemy. In that, there is total unity. Jews world-wide had no problem agreeing that Adolf Hitler was bad.
Jews do not control everything in the world but their influence is much greater than most people realize. Jews are also highly intelligent-but no more so than other groups, such as whites and orientals. It is not superior intelligence which gets Jews an amazingly disproportionate number of key controlling positions within the US government. It is ethnic networking-dedicated to overthrowing whites. Ethnic networking multiplies Jewish intelligence many times over. It is exactly like an organized army fighting against a disorganized enemy.
Guywhite is making an honest attempt to understand Jewry. He has many individual facts correct but errs in his interpretation of them.
Let the debate continue!
What you said makes a lot of sense to me, this is what can be accomplished by any group that creates a unified front. Regardless of how well they do though, its elitist and in this case racist/religionist to put people that you like in positions just because they are more similar to you then the person they just replaced.
I disagree with the assertion by some that Ashkenazi Jews have anomalously-large IQs. I also disagree with the obviously flawed notion that they aren’t exerting a great deal of power and influence on US policy.
In studying race and IQ, there is a nice, genetically-based, very evolutionarily-rational scale of IQ from the Blacks at the low end to Orientals at the high end. Specifically, these go from 70 in sub-Saharan Africa to 85 in US Blacks to 100 in Whites to 104 in Orientals, all of which have been shown in study after study for decades. Then we have this claim that somehow, Ashkenazi Jews have average IQs of up to 115.
The average IQ in Germany is 107. It’s 110 in Hong Kong. In light of this, the Jewish IQ assertion is very peculiar. I will say it bluntly: I believe someone is manipulating data to make his ethnic group look superior–maybe more than just one person.
I’m a typical white male, except that my IQ is pretty high for my race. I am not “successful” by the economic definition because it is not a priority to me. In fact, I have a rather strong dislike for individuals who receive a disproportionate income for the actual value of what they are doing.
I don’t have a problem with someone having a fairly large income, maybe even up to a couple hundred thousand dollars per year, and I certainly don’t mind someone HAVING millions of dollars if they have simply been saving their income; however, I very much detest individuals who “MAKE” tens of millions per year. The implication is that what they are doing is SO valuable to society that they deserve the equivalent of hundreds of regular workers’ incomes. Who has a right (to say nothing of an actual NEED) to receive that kind of wealth, even if they are curing cancer? A person who finds himself in that position has, in my opinion, a responsibility to use NEARLY ALL OF IT for the betterment of the society from which he is TAKING so much. And I most certainly am NOT talking about charity hand-outs, which are clearly more detrimental than beneficial.
My point with this rant is that, while IQ and income correlate in general, they do not correlate reliably for a given individual. Neither do IQ and rationality or IQ and ethical behavior. I would certainly agree that some minimum IQ is required, in general, to be successful financially or in terms of influence, but beyond that, true extremes in wealth and power seem to fall to the least scrupulous among those who possess the minimum requisite IQ.
There is no rational evolutionary basis for the “Ashkenazi genius,” despite the pathetic attempts to make one up. There is no forthcoming reason why they should appear to be so very far above their co-evolved middle-eastern compatriots or the Germans with whom they sometimes mixed. Modern studies have found an average IQ of 94 in Israel, with a 50% Ashkenazi Jew population. The implication then is that the average IQ for the rest of the population is 73! Did the Palestinians evolve in Africa or something?
The modern studies that have shown this supposed high IQ use very small sample sizes, typically less than 100. I’m sure I can find you a group of 75 people to “show” that Nordics have an average IQ of 133. A more realistic study with a large sample size was done by Backman in 1972 with 1200 samples, and the result was about 108–high, but not ridiculously so. The other numbers are obviously a lie.
Every year, this nation gives about $5.5 billion in foreign aid and loan guarantees to Israel, an illegitimate nation that manipulated its way into being by exploiting pity and then uprooting the rightful citizens of the previous population who had nothing at all to do with the Holocaust. This is on top of the 80 billion DM in “war reparations” Germany has so far paid to the nearly 4 million Jewish claimants (out of an original 7 million affected Jews, “6 million” of whom were killed in the Holocaust–hmmm). Israel uses this money for, among other things, military technology to crush, subjugate, and steal more land from the Palestinians, who cannot begin to match them militarily or financially. It is absolutely evil, and the only reason we would be handing such a state so much money is if they had a very, very serious influence on our political system.
Let me briefly state, for the fanatics out there on both sides, that I am NOT a Holocaust denier, though I think it is abundantly clear that the events and death tolls from the Holocaust have been exaggerated for the purpose of eliciting pity and financial gain. A bit of HONEST research casts a great deal of doubt on the gas-chamber myth, for instance.
Does this mean Jews were not executed? Certainly not; there’s ample evidence they were lined up and shot in great numbers, died of diseases in concentration camps, and starved in droves as Allied insurgence severed supply lines.
This is not my kooky religion, it’s objective examination of the available information. I’m a revisionist, not a denier. I like to think of revisionists as historians who are actually interested in the truth.
I admire this site precisely because it is realistic about evidence regarding subjects others deny for what amount to religious reasons that are not based on fact. I don’t have an anti-semitic philosophy any more than I have and anti-black philosophy. I just think there are some obvious unpleasant realities of which most people are in denial, and the enormous pressure on American policy by rich individuals with Jewish interests is clearly one such unpleasantness.
I am half Kurd and half Austrian and Chess is my passion. I have no preference when it comes to Armenians or Jews.
Verbal battles about intelligence on this thread normally would be overlooked by me, but Chess aspect could not leave me impartial…so, I decided, to research and verify facts and numbers, rather than words.
Here we go: I added all Armenian Chess Grandmasters that at least once have been rated in World’s best 10…I also factored number of Armenian World Chess Champions. To be impartial, I gave Armenians 1.5 (because only Tigran Petrossian was 100% Armenian, for Kasparov Armenians and Jews split one point, because he is 50/50). Next step was to get in equation percentage of both peoples to world’s total population (Jews : 14,457,200 Armenians: 5,679.200 – these number deem to reflect “pure population” and of course are approximate) . I was shocked by results of my calculations: Armenians indeed outperformed Jews and not by few percentage points, but ..ready? : 59.3 % ARMENIANS, 40.7% JEWS.
P.S.
Latest confirmation that Armenians outperformed Jews in Intelligence department – on World Chess Olympiad in Dresden Armenia second consecutive time became #1 (… Israel #2 ) Any thoughts? Perhaps I am wrong, but unlikely…I did not mean to put Jews down, they are very intelligent people, but numbers don’t lie.
Ivan,
Ashkenazic Jews are 80% of total Jews. Not sure how that effects your statistics. Discount non Ashkenazic in your total Jewish population. Discount non Ashkenazi from Jewish chess players.
I’m Jewish and I fit the stereotype described in the article: IQ much higher than average, senior editor of a very large entertainment web site, audio producer, PR rep for a nationally syndicated radio talk show…
Jews are raised to be high achievers. Nobody in my family ever sat around drinking beer and watching football all day long. We studied and worked hard.
As iron sharpens iron, so does one man sharpen another.
That’s why it’s important to choose your friends wisely.
On another note: You have to love Larry King — a Jew who just happens to have a talk show on CNN. So perhaps we do rule the media, but at least we achieved the knowledge and developed the skills to do it. I worked very hard and spent thousands upon thousands of hrs. to achieve all I’ve been able to accomplish. But when you think about it you’ll spend thousands of hrs. a year just working at a job. Why not do something that you will enjoy? You’ll spend thousands upon thousands of hrs. of your life working. Do something that will make a difference in the lives of others!
Hardlogic,
Ashkenazim have mothers with reputations to uphold and their children (in typical German fashion) are encouraged to make them proud (or run for the hills in shame). This is not a Jewish trait (We just like to poke fun about it)
A great work ethic and a willingness to learn are the hallmarks of a successful person. IQ matters if you’re a Scientist, but creativity and imagination can be had by people who are willing to see the world with an open heart and mind.
The USA is a big country and yes Hollywood liberals and NeoConservatives are very influential, but so is Exxon Mobil and the NAACP. As for AIPAC, well they are clearly on the take for Israel and should be considered as a foreign lobby.
Well written.
Besides IQ, I think the importance of cooperation cannot be overstated. Once a critical threshold is reached, where the ‘in group’ is broadly or over-represented in high levels of society, then several things happen:
1) There is a psychological affirmation that success is maybe expected.
2) Conscious or not, those people attempting upward progress may seek out others in the ‘in group’ for advice, help, favors, etc.
3) Conscious or not, those in power may favor the same group. A 2% deviation from mean would be huge a huge advantage over time.
I’ll tell you one thing: a collective higher IQ does not afford any advantage. I just going by empirical data. Jews may make up most of the Israeli government, but it is still a government, and it has been incapable of of breaking the cycle of violence there.
It has been acute for the last 8 years. Israel has had every advantage it could want, militarily, diplomatically, and financially, and I would argue they are worse off now than 8 years ago.
It was entirely predictable; even a slightly below-average IQ can see that Israel is on the wrong track entirely, and they are running out of time.
The US and Israel should have just given each and every Palestinian in the West Bank and Gaza $500,000. Most countries would welcome a husband, wife, and 2 kids coming in with $2 million dollars.
You think $1 trillion dollars is too expensive? Nothing should be too expensive. Israel should be willing to go in debt for 1000 years if it means keeping the state. They certainly are not going to ethnically cleanse their way out of it; they need to start making friends pretty fast as it is. The cruelty and humiliation they have demonstrated during this latest round is predictably going to unleash another wave of Palestinian cruise missiles riding around on busses and shopping with the ‘in group’.
Sorry for the Johnny come lately response… but I just got here!
I think Ashkenazi clearly have one of the highest average intelligences of any group. I also think Asheknazi have one of the highest average work and cooperation ethics of any group. I believe the latter traits compound the advantages of the previous. Therefore, there would naturally be a disproportionate number of successful Ashkenazi. And this would be true whether they were ogres or very decent people, as I think most probably are.
But I also think its possible for decent people to harbor prejudices. I, no doubt, have my own whether I wish it or not. Many of them are sub-conscious. Likewise, I think that Ashkenazi have their own prejudices. Some of those prejudices may indeed be pro white and pro christian, although I suspect most of them are pro jewish. Therefore, a group’s disproportionate influence would naturally result in a disproportionate expression of those prejudices throughout society.
I’ll even go one further and suggest that many of the stereotypical Jewish positions and causes may actually be an attempt to NOT be prejudiced. For example, support for immigration & affirmitive action may be nothing more than a desire to provide others with the same opportunities they’ve recieved. And yet it can reasonably be argued that immigration and affirmitive action have actually benefitted Jews more than the intended beneficiaries. So even when trying to do others a good turn, one may be seen as an ogre.
The key lesson here, of course, is that if “you can’t beat them, then join them”. Or at least learn from their achievements. So work hard. And work together.
“And yet it can reasonably be argued that immigration and affirmitive action have actually benefitted Jews more than the intended beneficiaries.”
How so?
Nicholas Stix wrote on his blog that when race is not identified, colleges target people with ethnic white names (Jewish, Italian) because there are no blacks named Goldman or Piscarelli.
So if anything, ethnic whites get hit harder than Anglo-Saxons.
JD-
I was trying to make the point that some of the causes for which Jews are criticized might actually be an attempt to NOT be prejudiced.
I’m not familiar with Nicholas Stix nor the article in question. Do you have a link?
“a fellow named Schneider, who was one of the best writers in the class, was flunked… The grading was transparently corrupt. Each student’s name was on the “blue book,” in which he wrote his essay. My colleagues… simply determined the testee’s race or ethnicity based on his name, and graded him accordingly.”
http://www.geocities.com/nstix/gradeinflationvi.html
JD-
While I don’t doubt Stix claims, the article is very anecdotal. And I don’t think it was his point that white ethnics were harder hit than anglo saxons at WPC. But they certainly wouldn’t have benefitted from affirmative action at that school. That’s for sure.
Since blacks never have white ethnic names, anyone with a Jewish, Italian, Polish name will be immediately identified as white. But if your name is Johnson or Smith, you could be either black or white, so on an application, your race is easier to hide by outright lying to claim to be black or by simply not answering. Most jobs and tests don’t ask your race.
JD-
That’s a good point. But look on the bright side. If they aren’t going to hire you sight unseen because you’re white, then seeing you isn’t going to make much of a difference. So at least they saved you a trip! LOL!
Illegitimi non carborundum
PS Ivan-there actually exists a calculated IQ score for Armenians on actual IQ tests-and its 93.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=iq+armenia&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
People should really check out psychometric research on populations/nations and IQ before posting. Seriously.
Also, I’ve noticed that brown-type peoples-Indians, Arabs, etc like to spout out very self-congratulatory remarks on the internet. Perhaps it’s a cultural thing, but they often come off as rude or immature.
“Any thoughts? Perhaps I am wrong, but unlikely…I did not mean to put Jews down, they are very intelligent people, but numbers don’t lie.”
How deluded.
[GW: What did you mean by this? I didn't understand, so I'd appreciate if you explained this further.
Also, that wasn't a scientifically derived scored. Based on that, Togo scores highest and China is 30 points below.]