As I mentioned above, most white people don’t even come into contact with Black people. Blacks are concentrated in certain areas in this country and that coupled with the fact that Blacks are a minority, should lead any reasonable perosn to conclude that aside from inner cities, most threat of crime comes from white people.
So let’s look at those areas with whites only. Those very places where the only threat of crime comes from whites.
Doors are made of glass. Windows are left wide open as people leave on week-long vacations. Going to the supermarket does not mean locking the door. If you 15-year-old daughter works the night shift at 7/11, you have no fear of her being robbed, raped or killed, even if she’s there all alone.
Often there is no police within 20 miles of certain farms and villages. Even if there is a police station in your white suburb, the cops don’t have a clue about how to deal with serious crimes such as rape and murder.
A robbery means one high school boy took lunch money from another. School suspension usually is enough to make sure he never does that again.
Your 7-year-old can go playing with a bunch of other kids his age without adult supervision.
There’s never any sound of guns. There are no gangs. Just people going to work and taking their kids to school where almost nobody fails and even fewer kids drop out.
That’s what a white society looks like.
For more of the same, take a look at European towns that have not yet been flooded by Third World immigrants.
Poor Guy.
Unfortunately, statistics do not confirm the utopian fantasy you have of life in predominately white areas.
In Utah for example, Blacks make up about 1.3% of the population. Still, crime in Utah is comparable to crime in the Untied States on the whole.
http://www.justice.state.ut.us/Research/Crime/utahvsus.html
While violent crime trends a bit lower than the nation on the whole, property crime, like burglary and larceny, tend to be slightly HIGHER in Utah.
So, if you think leaving your windows open and doors unlocked in an all white society is a good idea, then you’re about as bright as your website suggests.
Best, tubbs
Thanks Tubbs! I have been trying to tell guy this over and over. I have lived in predominantly white areas all my life. I now choose to live in an all black area. I have been robbed, had my car broken into, had my car stolen and even had my sons arm broken. And ALL of those crimes were committed while I lived in ALL white areas. So contrary to his belief, the dangerous areas for me were living around white people.
In the white areas, a kid shot his brother down the block from us. My neighbors son was hanging around with the local gang (white kids), the boy who lived a block away and hung around the boy next door was selling meth among other things. And this was supposed to be one of those extremely high class areas. But guy was right about one thing, the cops had no idea how to deal with this type of crime. So these criminals had no worries of ever being stopped. The crime went on unabated.
So far in my black neighborhood, I don’t see fighting, shooting, raping, stealing or anything. But let guy tell it and I should see these things on a daily basis. There are little black kids from next door playing with the kids from down the street everyday. Oh yeah, unsupervised since there really is no reason as they don’t seem to get into any trouble. They play football in the empty grass lot and that is about it. But according to guy they should be robbing peoples homes and shooting each other.
But the way I see it denial goes a long way in seeing “others” as the problem even though NOT per CAPITA but overall numbers for ALL us AMERICANS white people commit the majority of crime in America on overall numbers according to the Justice Department.
Thanks
Utah is heavily populated with Hispanics. Utah is also expected to be 20 percent “minority” by 2010. What was crime in Utah like before “enrichment”? Look up the stats. States with the lowest percentage of “diversity” also have the lowest crime rates. Vermont, North Dakota, New Hampshire, South Dakota — even poverty-stricken West Virginia has a relatively low crime rate. Look it up at the Statemaster website. The stats don’t lie.
And here you go: violent crime rates by state:
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_vio_cri-crime-violent
Notice which states are on the top in violent crimes, and which are on the bottom. Vermont, Maine, the Dakotas, Montana. Places where white people make up more than 90 percent of the population.
Well I guess neither one of you have been to South Central Los Angeles, Nickerson Gardens, Jordan Downs, hell cops don’t even go thru those projects, you two must be living in Canada or London.
I’m White, raised in East Los Angles you can’t sell that Housing Project utopia crap to me, been there done that!
Your Justice Department stat argument is mute,
Whites and Mexican stats are lumped together. (ò¿ó)
I was addressing Tubbs & theblacksentinel
Oh please! I was born in San Bernardino and my mother moved us to LA. We were never robbed or otherwise maligned. So I guess I am an exception to your rule. But I have been robbed and harassed living in Idaho and Washington state. And NO I have never lived in any damn housing project. Maybe that is your problem Mack, you spent a bit too much time in the projects. Where I hear ARE crime ridden. But oh well.
Of course you will always scream the Mexicans stats are mixed in with whites. Well they are mixed in with blacks as well. So don’t even try it. Latinos can be black or white. Not to mention some of the stats have a white NOT Hispanic category. So what about those. Or do you have an excuse for that too?
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/08/outofcontrol_sh.php
Read it and all the comments theblacksentinel and get a feel for black youth crime in all its glory before spouting off “whites are just as bad”.
Tubbs I sent left a long comment addressed to you, go read it.
A reader,
I took a brief look at your crime/violence site and it is immediately clear that the most violent places tend to be the most populace.
The District of Columbia, a heavy minority area, is closer to the bottom of your list, which indicates again, that population is more likely a determinative factor for violence than race.
Still, most studies on the topic of violence show that violence is most highly correlated with poverty, not race or population size.
Also, Utah is NOT heavily populated with Latinos, A Reader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#Demographics
I read another site that placed Utah as 12% Latino, but this Wikipedia entry lists Utah’s Latino population as a little over 10%.
Crime is a problem for all Americans, not just African-Americans and Latinos.
Sigh. Daelyn I read some of that garbage you linked to. It was pretty simplistic.
If you’ve completed the 8th grade at a decent public school, you should be aware that anecdotal evidence of the type you linked to and commented on in that amren thing, are not persuasive. You can’t infer any kind of pattern or trend from one data point such as an anecdote.
Regardless, here’s a take on that steaming pile known as amren:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29
American Renaissance (abbreviated AR or AmRen) is a monthly racialist magazine published by the New Century Foundation.[1] The magazine’s founder Jared Taylor has been called a white separatist.[2]
The magazine and foundation were founded by Jared Taylor, and the first issue was published in November 1990. A main theme of the magazine is a claim that non-white minorities pose a demographic threat to the United States and other Western nations. The magazine argues that the United States’ major social problems are due to racial diversity and a weakening of the country’s white racial heritage by increased non-white immigration.
In the first several years of the magazine’s publication, it sought to maintain a mainstream paleoconservative tone. Instead of explicit racism, Amren tried to form common ground with conservatives and libertarians by merely opposing affirmative action, quotas, and perceived property rights violations stemming from Civil Rights laws. It garnered praise from many mainstream conservative media outlets, including the National Review and The Wall Street Journal.[2] According to the ADL, the publication was able to maintain credibility by expressing racism only through a coded, academic veil. By the mid to late 1990s, however, closer scrutiny, as well as greater candor on behalf of Taylor on his views, widely discredited the magazine’s content as far-right and racist in the eyes of most mainstream sources
. . .
According to the Anti-Defamation League [8], “The New Century Foundation – known primarily by the name of its publication, American Renaissance — promotes ‘genteel’ racism: pseudoscientific, questionably researched and argued articles that validate the genetic and moral inferiority of nonwhites and the need for racial ‘purity.’ Generally avoiding overt bigotry and stereotyping, many of North America’s leading intellectual racists have written for the journal or have addressed the biannual American Renaissance conferences
Tubbs and blacksentinel are in serious denial about crime. Non-whites, and particularly blacks, are many times more likely to commit crimes than are whites. Stats back this up everywhere.
As to Mexican and Mestizo stats being mixed in with black crime stats; could be, but that definitely does nothing to shore up your fantasy that there is no significant difference in propensity for crime between the races. Mestizos commit fewer crimes than blacks (but still far more than whites per capita), so it would actually lower the black crime stats.
So, lumping in Mestizos with blacks lowers black crime stats, and lumping Mestizos with whites raises white crime stats.
Violence and crime (and poverty) are most highly correlated with intelligence (more specifically, lack thereof).
Sure, there are many unintelligent whites too, and they will commit crimes and occupy the lower rungs on the income ladder too, but as regards races and intelligence, there’s a clear hierarchy. Blacks the world over are at the bottom, followed by Mestizos, then whites, then Asians.
Crime rates match that hierarchy too. At group levels, school achievement, income, crime levels are all very predictable.
Intelligence matters, on so many levels. Let’s face it, when a group’s average intelligence is a full standard deviation less than another group’s, and they share the same land mass, they will always be at the bottom of society (as a group), and no amount of social engineering is going to change that.
It’s the primary reason that Third World countries are violent basket cases. It is also the same reason that places like Detroit are violent basket cases.
It is the people and the demographics that make a place what it is. Replace all the white people in Detroit, Baltimore, etc and fill the place with blacks, and you get chaos, failure and violence. Same thing in South Africa and Zimbabwe, despite inheriting a first world infrastructure.
The law of parsimony IQ explanation is the correct one. It applies and is demonstrable the world over.
While it is true that poverty and crime have a high correlation, it is also true that low intelligence practically guarantees (predicates) poverty. A full standard deviation in intelligence means two vastly different worlds.
Though their ancestors were badly used 150 years ago and more, modern day blacks living in first world countries are great beneficiaries of living in civilized societies. Despite their many cries of racism, they wouldn’t dream of returning or going to any black run country. It’d be the same chaos in either place, but minus the welfare and affirmative action (and all the various excuses for failure) so generously applied in white run countries.
I suspect Tubbs and blacksentinel are fully aware of all this, and I can understand how painful it must be to acknowledge, but facts are facts.
Have you considered that some of the information from American Renaissance is assembled by racists who whatever your view right or wrong become racists because of their investigations?
I am not racist, but I dare you to refute anything other then some of the hateful comments by visitors to the site. Wikipedia is a control mechanism, of course they will speak bad about anything that is a threat to them; so is the media, and so are the universities, so where do you go to catch a glimpse of the truth?
Dismissing it all because there are racists there even though they do a lot of research is shear ignorance. The comments are anectdotal, the articles are actually copies from published media outlets, how is that garbage? Did you even look to see where the articles come from?
O.k. so the media and universities and wikipedia are all afraid of the truth, but only the racists (who got that way from their dispassionate research) can give us a “glimpse of the truth”?
That doesn’t seem a tad unlikely to you Daelyn?
I’ve already provided articles refuting “the color of crime”, do I really have to go to a white supremecist web site to debunk all their claims to show that I’m not afraid of the truth?
Do I then have to prove that there is no Bigfoot or Santa Claus next?
I am not afraid of the truth at all and I have not disputed the fact that African Americans commit more murder and, consequently, a disproporionate amount of murder.
But there is a far cry from acknowledging the disproportionate pathologies of a group and demonizing a group.
If this site and white supremecist sites like it were interested in the truth, then they would air the dirty laundry of white people of which there is plenty.
But you and I both know that’s not why sites like this exist. Read about the history of white supremecy then let me know whether you still think this site and others like it dispassionately search for “truth”.
Ah JHD, you want to talk not just about crime (you apparently got confused about Lation stats being mixed in with a particular race and who was making which argument), but you want to throw race and IQ in as well.
You really are a kool aid drinker huh?
As I’ve pointed out ad nauseum, disproportionate amount of crime is pretty insignificant when you consider that the groups in question are MINORITIES. They are literally smaller groups (hence the term minority).
So, as I pointed out in another thread here: You have 2 green people that are both murderers. That means 100% of green people are murderers!!!! ARGH!!! Lock your doors!!! Call the Klan!!!! It’s still two people at the end of the day.
Meanwhile there are 70 beige people and 10% are murderers. That means there are 7 murderers to worry about in this group. If you’re counting at home you quikcly realize that 7 murderers is a bigger problem than 2.
You all have been bamboozled.
Anyway, JHD, anytime you want to talk about race and IQ and the Bell Curve and how Black Conservative Thomas Sowell debunked it, and multiple intelligences, and the Pioneer Fund, and all the wonderful little arguments that go along with this ancient piece of racist philosophy, please let me know.
I’m ready when you are.
As a starting point on the race and IQ debate, you may want to check the series of articles in Slate magazine on the topic:
http://www.slate.com/id/2179073/
The Slate series covers all the usual suspects, Rushton, Jensen, Murray, the Bell Curve, the whole nine.
Once you’ve caught up, let me know what you’d like to discuss.
“O.k. so the media and universities and wikipedia are all afraid of the truth, but only the racists (who got that way from their dispassionate research) can give us a “glimpse of the truth”?
That doesn’t seem a tad unlikely to you Daelyn?”
Unlikely as 911 wasn’t an inside job, as unlikely as the Federal Reserve is neither government or open to scrutiny, as unlikely as all the official media outlets being owned by four or five companies, as unlikely as walmart and the exportation of jobs overseas is good for the economy, as unlikely as every president wasn’t either a mason, or skull and bones. . . The argument that everything is failing in Western countries can go on for much longer then my fingers are capable of typing.
In order to completely destroy independent countries, and to disempower the free thinking individuals in those countries to bring about a completely controlled One World Government the war has taken two main approaches in the past 40+ years:
1:)Destroy the economy
2:)Destroy the culture
The culture of Western countries is under serious assault, and this is where the bringining in of non-whites en mass are concerned.
I’m ready when you are.
theblacksentinel: Who the hell says “Oh please” that’s been raised in LA? Maybe Hollywood?
Your not from LA, no way, no how.
San Bernardino is the suburbs, no gangs less violence.
One World Government? Aimed at destroying the economy and culture of . . . the Earth? Whites? Free Masons?
You should read more.
No wonder you listen to this stuff. You don’t have any critical analysis skills and you don’t appear to be very educated.
Speaking of anecdotes, you’re comment reminds me of a commercial I saw a few years ago:
A young Black girl is talking about her experince at Community College and she goes on to explain how before she went to college she believed anything that anyone told her. Anything on television; anyone in her family; in her church; basically anything.
But after going to community college she learned to think for herself!
Maybe you should think about community college.
Please, you’re now going to contend that there is no difference in intelligence between the races? That the IQ evidence is all a sham? That the fact that these differences manifest in schools (and everywhere else) are all the result of environment (or the legacy of slavery, or some other such nonsense)?
If the results are the same the world over wherever the races share the same land, to what do you attribute the difference?
Sowell might have denied racial IQ differences, but he certainly didn’t debunk the evidence.
I’m sure you subscribe to the race is only skin deep philosophy. Are there no physical differences between the races at all? Is it an illusion that you see blacks dominating the sprinting events at virtually every Olympics? Is that too an environmental thing? Just a matter of emphasis, where blacks simply try and train harder, or are blacks, as a group, simply faster at sprinting than whites. One could trot out many sports to make this point, but nowhere is it quite so explicit than in track and field sprinting.
Scholastic results are equally compelling and predictable (at the group level). Ockham’s Razor applies here as well. What is implausible is all the environmental (and other excuses) that liberals try to come up with in order to explain the intransigent and ubiquitous IQ differences.
You might be able to come up with some aberration wherein a black student body outperforms its white counterpart, but I’d suggest that in all the school districts in the land, you’d be hard pressed to find those stats.
When something is near universal and demonstrable (by data), it takes extraordinary evidence to back up extraordinary claims, and in this case, the extraordinary claim is that there is NOT a difference in racial group IQs.
Sure, Tubbs, bring on your extraordinary evidence (good luck with that). Evidence abounds that there IS such a difference. It’s manifest in just about every school in the land (and of course, all those IQ tests that you so want to deny).
I see you’re still trying to obfuscate the crime issue with saying that there are more crimes committed by whites than blacks. Obviously whites commit crimes too. No one is trying to deny that. This crime argument has to do with crimes per capita, or per 1,000 or however the various data sources report it. It is about likelihood of committing crime.
Let’s use an example like you used above. Let’s say there are 500 whites, and 51 of them commited a crime, and there are 100 blacks, and 50 of them committed a crime.
To you (and your specious line of reasoning), this would indicate that whites commit more crime than blacks. To any normal sentient being, they’d interpret that as blacks are 5 times more likely to commit crime than whites.
If you wish I’m sure I can find credible DOJ stats that would indicate just such a disparity (or far worse, when it comes to race.)
Nice try, Tubbs. You’re in complete denial. I’m looking forward to your explanations for black failure at school (and in IQ tests). Should be a hoot.
“The majority of Saletan’s facts come to a reader, therefore, not secondhand, but third-hand, and via the prism of two highly biased researchers.”
Two highly biased researchers, whom the only bias is said is that they either are out to prove blacks are inferior or that the test for IQ in africa among blacks produced a 70 only because they are poor and how could they possibly know what Western nations find useful in IQ tests. . .
Thats it, thats the crux if the argument, and it fails, and so do you in your arguments.
I don’t necessarily believe that Blacks are mentally inferior as many (NOT ALL, THIS IS WHERE YOUR PATHETIC UNDERSTANDING OF AVERAGES COME IN AND SCREW YOU UP) actually choose not to engage in an intellectual persuit of knowledge, but would rather focus on socializing, dancing, and music instead. This comes from my own personal experience. I’d rather watch a show on TV about history, or science, and my other half would rather watch People’s court, or a soap opera. Its all about choice, and if we had a world without the NWO agenda things everywhere would be much better, and respecting a persons ability to dance, sing, and socialize would be much more highly prized.
Regardless of racial IQ studies the irrefutable evidence is in history and the current state of nations around the world. No black governed nation is doing well, they are if not falling completely apart financially, or are just barely holding on and slipping. I’d also would bring out how bad Black nations have it when it comes to disease, war, famine, poverty, crime, and average life spans.
So, IQs are all equal genetically fine, believe it, crime rates all the same with all groups, fine believe it, but you cannot explain the complete failure of all Black nations unless you look at the first two as the reasons for it. You just cannot Tubbs, theres no way you can do it, even when I know that the world bank is having a huge part in taking them down with the loans they grant them then kill the nations with the loans, all other non-Black nations living under the same spectre are fairing much much better. If you like Africa and Blacks so much go live there, then come back and cry about how bad it is after a few years.
You should actually read the articles from Slate and be honest about what I’ve said instead of creating straw men like this:
“Please, you’re now going to contend that there is no difference in intelligence between the races? ”
No need to lie about anything I’ve said, it’s all here in Black and white.
Straw Man
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “set up a straw man” or “set up a straw man argument” is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent’s actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent’s position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent’s actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
Whites do not need blacks to live in a well ordered, prosperous society.
Blacks need Whites to live in a well ordered, prosperous society.
Tubbs its a liberal website with GASP another liberal slanted point of view. He claims that the author is out to prove Blacks are inferior, by simple reasoning, Stephen Metcalf from Slate is out to prove that all races are equal, at least the so called racists have scientific data to back them up, all Stephen Metcalf has in anecdotal assumptions.
People have different view points, if you don’t like ours don’t come here because your just making many here more upset and more intractable. Come up with proof of what you say, evidence, research! You have nothing, but what you said the “FBI website” states, you all are just racists, and bringing in news reports of what bad white people do, please give me a break, your attempts are pathetic
“Please, you’re now going to contend that there is no difference in intelligence between the races? ”
–}No need to lie about anything I’ve said, it’s all here in Black and white.{– – Tubbs
That’s the extraordinary evidence to back up the extraordinary claim that there is no difference in race IQs?
Aw well, it was an impossible task.
Once we quit trying to deny reality, maybe we can begin to truly address the societal problems that the differences cause, because the head in the sand, PC approach has been an unmitigated disaster.
Also thanks for proving my point JHD you said:
“It is about likelihood of committing crime.
Let’s use an example like you used above. Let’s say there are 500 whites, and 51 of them commited a crime, and there are 100 blacks, and 50 of them committed a crime.
To you (and your specious line of reasoning), this would indicate that whites commit more crime than blacks. To any normal sentient being, they’d interpret that as blacks are 5 times more likely to commit crime than whites.”
That’s more or less correct (although the percentage of whites committing crime tends to be higher than the 10% you’ve graciously assigned and the percentage of Blacks committing crime is also much lower).
The point is 51 criminals is a greater problem than 50 criminals.
Further, your claim about Blacks being more likely to commit crime is pretty absurd given your exclusion of poverty (by far the most important factor in predicting criminal behavior).
Do you think Bill Cosby and Colin Powell are more likely to murder than anyone else? Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that poor areas are more likely to be dangerous?
If you want to go through life believing that a small group of people is a greater threat to you than a large group of people, be my guest and best of luck to ya!
JHD you either read at the fifth grade level or you are a liar.
I never said what you’ve claimed I said regarding race and IQ.
Again, there’s no need to lie to make your point.
As to your straw man claim; do you or do you not deny that there are differences in racial group IQs?
Please, be specific about the nature of the straw man you say I set up.
No matter how skilled the debater, if the premise you have to argue is that up is down, you’ve got yourself a tough row to hoe, but good luck. The evidence is entirely on my side.
“JHD you either read at the fifth grade level or you are a liar.”
A childish response that you continue to spew. Awsome man, so convincing, you just tore him apart.
Daelyn, if all you took away from the Slate SERIES of articles is that someone thinks all races are equal, then I can only conclude that you didn’t read them.
What do you think about Richard Lewontin’s work?
Would it help if you listened to these three downloadable audio files? They are from three different viewpoints, and never is there any squabbling.
Jared Taylor – White conservative and white seperatist
John Derbyshire – White liberal
Kevin Martin – Conservative black activist
They all concede that there are enherit differences among the races. Although other than Jared Taylor the they can’t come up with what that is exactly.
http://www.amren.com/media/Race-Cons/Race-Cons.htm
JHD, you’re a liar because I never claimed that there were not differences in IQ between races.
That said, the gap in IQ between races has steadily declined over time and your race realists seem to be stumped by the Flynn effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
The Flynn effect is the rise of average Intelligence Quotient (IQ) test scores over the generations, an effect seen in most parts of the world, although at greatly varying rates. It is named after James R. Flynn, who did much to document it and promote awareness of its implications. This increase has been continuous and roughly linear from the earliest days of testing to the present. “Test scores are certainly going up all over the world, but whether intelligence itself has risen remains controversial,” psychologist Ulric Neisser wrote in an article in 1997 in The American Scientist.[1] The Flynn effect may have ended in some developed nations starting in the mid 1990s although other studies, such as Black Americans reduce the racial IQ gap: Evidence from standardization samples (Dickens, Flynn; 2006), still show gain between 1972 and 2002.
Regardless the author Stephen Metcalf is out to disprove but has nothing to substantiate with other research other then poo pooing the guys book.
Words can form to mean anything, his agenda is liberal.
The same can be said about yours, you think everyone is equal and the same, so is the world working right for ya? Is everything fine and dandy? What are the reasons for the worlds problems? This blogsite addresses one of the issues that is failing, and thats diversity, at least with the way the current world state exists in.
I’m not saying all peoples can’t live in harmony, but there is no “real” attempt to get people to do so, instead we have groups who are ignorant of others or just one of them is and they don’t work well when put together.
So whats your agenda Tubbs? What the hell is it?
Thomas Sowell on Race, IQ and the Flynn effect:
“As it turned out, the research showed that the average IQ difference between black and white Americans — 15 points — was nothing unusual. Similar IQ differences could be found between various culturally isolated white communities and the general society, both in the United States and in Britain. Among various groups in India, mental test differences were slightly greater than those between blacks and whites in the United States.
In recent years, research by Professor James R. Flynn, an American expatriate living in New Zealand, has shaken up the whole IQ controversy by discovering what has been called “the Flynn effect.” In various countries around the world, people have been answering significantly more IQ test questions correctly than in the past.
This important fact has been inadvertently concealed by the practice of changing the norms on IQ tests, so that the average number of correctly answered questions remains by definition an IQ of 100. Only by painstakingly going back and recalculating IQs, based on the initial norms, was Professor Flynn able to discover that whole nations had, in effect, had their IQs rising over the decades by about 20 points.
Since the black-white difference in IQ is 15 points, this means that an even larger IQ difference has existed between different generations of the same race, making it no longer necessary to attribute IQ differences of this magnitude to genetics. In the half century between 1945 and 1995, black Americans’ raw test scores rose by the equivalent of 16 IQ points.
In other words, black Americans’ test score results in 1995 would have given them an average IQ just over 100 in 1945. Only the repeated renorming of IQ tests upward created the illusion that blacks had made no progress, but were stuck at an IQ of 85. But we would never have known this if some researchers had not defied the taboo on studying race and IQ imposed by black “leaders” and white “friends.”
Incidentally, Professor Jensen pointed out back in 1969 that black children’s IQ scores rose by 8 to 10 points after he met with them informally in a play room and then tested them again after they were more relaxed around him. He did this because “I felt these children were really brighter than their IQ would indicate.” What a shame that others seem to have less confidence in black children than Professor Jensen has had. ”
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1958
I never said people were equal or the same. Stop lying.
Stop lying? Bahh haa. You come on here and attack the IQ test results, so what is it you are saying? Or you just like to attack people for no reason what so ever?
–}The point is 51 criminals is a greater problem than 50 criminals.
Further, your claim about Blacks being more likely to commit crime is pretty absurd given your exclusion of poverty (by far the most important factor in predicting criminal behavior).
Do you think Bill Cosby and Colin Powell are more likely to murder than anyone else? Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that poor areas are more likely to be dangerous? – Tubbs {–
I wish I could think that you were joking in your persistence with this losing argument. Unfortunately, I think you’re none too swift. If a black is 5 times more likely to commit a crime than a white, the implications are obvious to all but the truly stupid.
Low intelligence is the most important correlate in crime stats. It is low intelligence that leads to poverty and crime.
Cosby and Powell are commendable role models. I respect and admire both of them. I am not trying to say that ALL blacks are unintelligent or that ALL blacks are criminals. I’m simply pointing at that at a group level, they are less intelligent, and commit more crime than do whites, and that it has disastrous consequences at a societal level.
I can back up the claims of lower intelligence and higher crime with statistics. You have nothing but empty liberal pablum at your disposal.
Yours are the extraordinary claims, and you don’t even offer half-assed plausible explanations for the IQ difference, and your only rejoinder about crime stats is that in raw numbers, whites commit more crime, without taking into consideration per capita data. What completely specious nonsense.
Those are just the raw crime numbers, too. If you further broke it down into inter-racial crime categories, the disparity is even more horrendous (particularly as regards inter-racial rape and murder).
Yawn.
You can continue to be afraid of a small group of people if you like. That is your right as a fearful person.
I prefer to rely on reason, and rationality suggests that the prudent person avoid the greater possibility of crime, which comes from the greater number of perpeptrators.
Your point regrading liklihood of crime, is statistical chicanery, that any 4 year old should be able to figure out.
Look Johnny, there’s a group of 50 people with bats and a group of 10 people with bats, which do you think you should be afraid of!
And the Race and IQ debate:
You’ve shown yourself to be utterly dishonsest and irrational.
First you lied about what I said.
Then you refused to acknowledge the numerous points and articles I graciously provided, showing that your race and IQ bunk is just that.
Please. This would be entertaining if you were arguing in good faith. You’re not.
And so,
Silence on the Flynn Effect,
Silence on Thomas Sowell,
Silence on Richard Lewontin,
Silence on the Slate Series on Race and IQ.
JHD you’re a coward and a liar.
Tubbs — West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the nation, yet it has relatively low crime rates.
Here is the article from the Salt Lake City Tribune which states that Utah will be 20 percent minority in 2010. I guess Wikipedia hasn’t had time to catch up to the latest demographic figures.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10196956
You can’t dispute it — the least “diverse” states in the US are the ones with the lowest crime rates. The only outlier is Hawaii, but that is majority Asian, and Asians’ crime rates are even lower than whites.’
Tubbs who says he or I or anyone else here is so fearful of crime from Blacks? I don’t ever remember reading that, and even if a few people are its not what we are rallying against, its that the crime is helping to destroy the country. Whole areas are being left by whites because of the crime from non-whites and then those areas turn into wastelands.
Is this what you want to happen to the USA?
So as long as you don’t bother to go through AMREN, it will be that I don’t go through your liberal or black conservative in the case of Thomas Sowell websites, and links.
What is the point of arguing about it anyways? We all seem to be in agreement. Tubbs and theblacksentinel are free to stay in their crime-free paradisical black majority areas, and we whites should be free to stay in our crime-ridden, violent, white-majority areas. We whites are far too stupid to move into the crime-free, non-violent, paradisical black majority areas such as Detroit, New Orleans and Oakland, Calif. or similar paradisical Latino majority areas such as East LA.
A couple of points:
Daelyn, you’re talking nonsense. This site and the comments found herein are almost exclusively geared toward demonizing Blacks and Latinos (I’ve only just started weing into this cesspool so I’m sure there’s some negative stuff about Jews and Asians waiting in the rafters).
If you were interested in combating crime then you would almost certainly not be focused on Black people and the few crimes they commit disproportionately. Further, the fact that you and others apparently ignore white collar crime, environmental crime, war profiteering, and corporate malfeasance among others, suggests that proponents of this site are not interested in crime, but more in a certain segment of people.
It’s actually quite an old story.
A Reader:
Delaware in the lower half of violent states, is 20% Black (far above the national average)
Arkansas is 16% Black
Mississippi is 37% Black
and
DC is over 55% Black!
Each of these states are in the lower half of the violent crime index you provided. Your theory appears to have some holes in it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVDBPsluiSg
Watch it Tubbs, and to everyone else go watch it as well. When I post these very important links it seems that no one bothers cept Californian once to give feedback.
IT PUTS IT ALL INTO PERSPECTIVE
Watch them, and understand the whys of what is going on in the world and especially in the United States.
Never have I ignored crime perpetrated by whites, go to the link above, it is the reason for all of the worlds problems.
But I would not say its whites in general! We do not benefit from these criminal acts only the wealthy do, and the wealthy also happen to be those from all races and all nations who are exploiting their people in order to bring about this NWO agenda.
I will admit some of Guywhites posts are full of hatred. But I also understand how if one looks deeply enough into a problem, especially if the problem threatens their life personally and over time it seems that nothing can or is being done about it that you will grow very bitter towards it resulting in some of the post topics such as “Filthy Black Whore,” and so on.
Although I may disagree with some of the posts, and the commenators on the whole I feel this blogsite is addressing something that most people ignore, or are unaware of so that is why I come here.
http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/whos-the-real-fascist/
Also go through and read, I posted the movie link there again to 911 The Road to Tyranny.
Tubbs emoted:
—You can continue to be afraid of a small group of people if you like. That is your right as a fearful person.—
I would only be fearful if I lived in an area where there were feral blacks in substantial numbers. I have sense enough not to live in such an area, and I have no reason to go to such areas.
—I prefer to rely on reason, and rationality suggests that the prudent person avoid the greater possibility of crime, which comes from the greater number of perpeptrators.—
My God man, you are quite near a complete moron. Rationality would suggest avoiding AREAS where the greatest concentration of perps lived, and the greatest concentration of perps are in the black community. Are you truly too dumb to recognize that?
—Your point regarding likelihood of crime, is statistical chicanery, that any 4 year old should be able to figure out.—
It’s like trying to reason with a 10 year old.
Scenario 1: There is a community of 5000 whites and there are 101 criminals there, and the land area of said community is 25 square miles.
Scenario 2: There is a community of 1000 blacks, and there are 100 criminals there, and the land area is 5 square miles.
Roughly same population density to area.
Because the proportion of criminals is so much denser in the black area, it is far more dangerous to be there than it is in the white area (any moron could recognize this, yet it seems to escape you), which is one of the main reasons, btw, that when blacks move into an area, whites leave. Well, not only crime, but the failing schools that always follow, and a host of other reasons. But to the topic, anyone but a complete buffoon would avoid the area with the higher density of criminals.
To follow your logic, I’d be in greater danger walking the streets of Salt Lake City than I would walking the streets of Compton simply because SLC has a greater population, when I am making the obvious point that it is more dangerous to go where there is as higher concentration of criminals (and they are higher in the black community than anywhere else, hence, more dangerous in the black community). Is this logic really that hard to follow?
As to your “graciously” posting articles. I could post a zillion links detailing IQ differences, and how they impact society.
This has nothing to do with arguing in bad faith though, because my basic argument remains the same; that low intelligence is the highest predictor of poverty and crime, and that blacks as a group, have the lowest IQ of any race, and therefore commit the highest amounts of crime of any race. (these two facts are not even in dispute, not even by you).
As to this foolishness:
—And so,
Silence on the Flynn Effect,
– A good read on the Flynn Effect entitled Flynn Flips: IQ Tests Do Matter at:
http://vdare.com/sailer/070903_flynn.htm
Article concludes:
” Flynn does hope that his Effect will someday narrow the sizable racial and national gaps in average IQ. But he doesn’t have much evidence that it’s happening yet. The collection of hundreds of IQ studies from all over the globe by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen has revealed few examples of convergence. The overwhelming finding from the first century of IQ research is the stability of these gaps.”
Silence on Thomas Sowell,
– Just a small rebuttal to Sowell embedded within a tremendous article on race, class and IQ entitled For Whom the Bell Tolls (synopsis of The Bell Curve).
http://vdare.com/pb/bell_curve.htm
“Murray’s response: Sowell’s concept of “environment” must invoke extraordinarily subtle and pervasive cultural factors to explain why groups can live side by side for generations and still score differently. Sowell himself says it offers little opportunity for quick intervention and improvement. As a practical matter, Sowell and The Bell Curve’s authors are not so far apart as they might seem.”
Silence on Richard Lewontin,
–”Lewontin’s Fallacy” is thoroughly discredited all over the web. Google it yourself.
–}Pinker to Steve Sailor
“People are surely better off with the truth. Oddly enough, everyone agrees with this when it comes to the arts. Sophisticated people sneer at feel-good comedies and saccharine romances in which everyone lives happily ever after. But when it comes to science, these same people say, ‘Give us schmaltz!’ They expect the science of human beings to be a source of emotional uplift and inspirational sermonizing.”
What the researchers are uncovering as they scrape away the blather of the Goulds and Diamonds is a world we already more or less know, the one we all live in every day.
The human race has its flaws. But the truth about ourselves is not so horrible that we must be shielded from it by self-appointed sages who get rich fabricating falsehoods.{–
Silence on the Slate Series on Race and IQ.
There has been tons of commentary on the Slate series. Here is yet more:
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/12/iq_debate_adds.php
And here, evidence of the intransigence of the racial disparities in the article Lynn’s Race Differences in Intelligence: PC Won’t Make Them Go Away:
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/060423_lynn.htm
These articles are replete with other relevant links too. On and on it goes.
Tubbs, you think trotting out a couple of links that try to rationalize the racial disparities has miraculously won you an unwinnable argument. The fact is that the disparities remain (much to your chagrin), and that blacks commit far more crime per capita than do whites (which obliterates your inane raw numbers argument). These IQ and crime disparities are indisputable. You really have no argument to make. All you can do is try and rationalize why it is so, but that it is so is not in dispute.
Because I don’t respond immediately to your links you stoop to moronic name calling. Tantamount to the white flag with “I give, you win” on it.
I mean, hell, there are so many links out there that we could each link to, but there really is a bottom line here, and it is this;
You are about rationalizing high black crime rates and low black IQ, and I am pointing out that they are unfortunate facts, but facts they are, and a huge negative on America.
Flail away with your attempted rationalizations though. It’s good for a laugh (in a pathetic sort of way).
Tubbs wrote:
“JHD you’re a coward and a liar.”
Guy runs a respectable joint around here. I’m pretty sure he’s instituted a NO WILDING policy here.
This didn’t go through at first because it was too long, apparently. So, Part 1.
From Tubbs:
—You can continue to be afraid of a small group of people if you like. That is your right as a fearful person.—
I would only be fearful if I lived in an area where there were feral blacks in substantial numbers. I have sense enough not to live in such an area, and I have no reason to go to such areas. There is such a thing as rational discrimination.
If you know a given group and area is prone to violence, you’d be a fool to go there, hence rational discrimination
—I prefer to rely on reason, and rationality suggests that the prudent person avoid the greater possibility of crime, which comes from the greater number of perpeptrators.—
My God man, there’s no getting through to you (in spite of Guy’s new post). Rationality would suggest avoiding AREAS where the greatest concentration of perps lived, and the greatest concentration of perps are in the black community. Can you truly not grasp this?
—Your point regarding likelihood of crime, is statistical chicanery, that any 4 year old should be able to figure out.—
Wow, this is like trying to reason with a 10 year old.
Scenario 1: There is a community of 5000 whites and there are 101 criminals there, and the land area of said community is 25 square miles.
Scenario 2: There is a community of 1000 blacks, and there are 100 criminals there, and the land area is 5 square miles.
Roughly same population density to area.
Because the proportion of criminals is so much denser in the black area, it is far more dangerous to be there than it is in the white area (any moron could recognize this, yet it seems to escape you), which is one of the main reasons, btw, that when blacks move into an area, whites leave. Well, not only crime, but the failing schools that always follow, and a host of other reasons. But to the topic, if you were aware of statistics that told you who and where crime was most likely, and you allowed your kids to go there, you’d be guilty of child abuse.
To follow your logic, I’d be in greater danger walking the streets of Salt Lake City than I would walking the streets of Compton simply because SLC has a greater population, when I am making the obvious point that it is more dangerous to go where there is as higher concentration of criminals (and they are higher in the black community than anywhere else, hence, more dangerous in the black community). This logic can’t be that hard to follow, can it?
As to your “graciously” posting articles and me arguing in bad faith. I could post a zillion links detailing IQ differences, and how they impact society, but wanted to spare everyone the tedium.
Part 2.
This has nothing to do with arguing in bad faith though, because my basic argument remains the same; that low intelligence is the highest predictor of poverty and crime, and that blacks as a group, unfortunately have the lowest IQ of any race, and therefore commit the highest amounts of crime of any race (at first I was under the misimpression that you were disputing one of these two facts, but you’ve since indicated that you are not).
As to this foolishness, my silence indicates that I was away from my desk, nothing more, nothing less.
—And so,
Silence on the Flynn Effect,
– A good read on the Flynn Effect entitled Flynn Flips: IQ Tests Do Matter at:
http://vdare.com/sailer/070903_flynn.htm
Article concludes:
” Flynn does hope that his Effect will someday narrow the sizable racial and national gaps in average IQ. But he doesn’t have much evidence that it’s happening yet. The collection of hundreds of IQ studies from all over the globe by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen has revealed few examples of convergence. The overwhelming finding from the first century of IQ research is the stability of these gaps.”
Silence on Thomas Sowell,
– Just a small rebuttal to Sowell embedded within a tremendous article on race, class and IQ entitled For Whom the Bell Tolls (synopsis of The Bell Curve).
http://vdare.com/pb/bell_curve.htm
“Murray’s response: Sowell’s concept of “environment” must invoke extraordinarily subtle and pervasive cultural factors to explain why groups can live side by side for generations and still score differently. Sowell himself says it offers little opportunity for quick intervention and improvement. As a practical matter, Sowell and The Bell Curve’s authors are not so far apart as they might seem.”
Aach. One post goes through. One says awaiting moderation.
If I have multi posted the same thing a couple of times, I humbly apologize.
Another attempt at Part 2.
This has nothing to do with arguing in bad faith though, because my basic argument remains the same; that low intelligence is the highest predictor of poverty and crime, and that blacks as a group, unfortunately have the lowest IQ of any race, and therefore commit the highest amounts of crime of any race (at first I was under the misimpression that you were disputing one of these two facts, but you’ve since indicated that you are not).
As to this foolishness, my silence indicates that I was away from my desk, nothing more, nothing less.
Silence on the Flynn Effect,
– A good read on the Flynn Effect entitled Flynn Flips: IQ Tests Do Matter at:
http://vdare.com/sailer/070903_flynn.htm
Article concludes:
” Flynn does hope that his Effect will someday narrow the sizable racial and national gaps in average IQ. But he doesn’t have much evidence that it’s happening yet. The collection of hundreds of IQ studies from all over the globe by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen has revealed few examples of convergence. The overwhelming finding from the first century of IQ research is the stability of these gaps.”
Part 3.
Silence on Thomas Sowell,
– Just a small rebuttal to Sowell embedded within a tremendous article on race, class and IQ entitled For Whom the Bell Tolls (synopsis of The Bell Curve).
http://vdare.com/pb/bell_curve.htm
“Murray’s response: Sowell’s concept of “environment” must invoke extraordinarily subtle and pervasive cultural factors to explain why groups can live side by side for generations and still score differently. Sowell himself says it offers little opportunity for quick intervention and improvement. As a practical matter, Sowell and The Bell Curve’s authors are not so far apart as they might seem.”
Silence on Richard Lewontin,
–Lewontin’s Fallacy is thoroughly discredited all over the web. Google it yourself.
–}Pinker to Steve Sailor
“People are surely better off with the truth. Oddly enough, everyone agrees with this when it comes to the arts. Sophisticated people sneer at feel-good comedies and saccharine romances in which everyone lives happily ever after. But when it comes to science, these same people say, ‘Give us schmaltz!’ They expect the science of human beings to be a source of emotional uplift and inspirational sermonizing.”
Part 4.
What the researchers are uncovering as they scrape away the blather of the Goulds and Diamonds is a world we already more or less know, the one we all live in every day.
The human race has its flaws. But the truth about ourselves is not so horrible that we must be shielded from it by self-appointed sages who get rich fabricating falsehoods.{–
Silence on the Slate Series on Race and IQ.
There has been tons of commentary on the Slate series. Here is yet more:
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/12/iq_debate_adds.php
And here, evidence of the intransigence of the racial disparities in the article Lynn’s Race Differences in Intelligence: PC Won’t Make Them Go Away:
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/060423_lynn.htm
These articles are replete with other relevant links too. On and on it goes.
Part 5. (part 4 is mysteriously awaiting moderation)
Tubbs, you think trotting out a couple of links that try to rationalize the racial disparities has miraculously won you an unwinnable argument. The fact is that these disparities are real, and that blacks commit far more crime per capita than do whites (your inane raw numbers argument notwithstanding), which is the basic point of Guy‘s post in the first place. These IQ and crime disparities are not even in dispute, even by you. All you can really do is try to rationalize why it is so.
No one is saying that whites don’t commit crimes too. Just that the number of crimes committed by blacks is disproportionately far, far greater, and has a huge societal cost, and not just localized in the black community, as whites are often times targets of predatory blacks. See recent St Louis predations by wilding blacks.
Tubbs, I wasn’t talking about the “lower half” in crime rates. I was talking about the “lower ten.” Which are all predominately, in fact overwhelmingly, white states.
My link to Amren’s article “Out-Of-Control Shoplifting at the St. Louis Galleria” is not simplistic and racist. Its what is happening all over the USA, malls, areas being destroyed. You just can’t handle reading the comments, which further extrapolate the problem.
Tubbs, either your just dumb or your actual job is to go to websites and crash them, either way unless you smarten up we have no use for someone who doesn’t get a damn thing we say and repeats the same BS over and over again.
The New Century Foundation study, “The Color of Crime”, is based on DOJ statistics:
http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.ht
Full report:
http://www.amren.com/reports/color_of_crime.pdf
Daelyn,
Put yourself in Tubbs position. He’s probably the type of black guy that would make a perfectly good neighbor/friend/coworker. Then he sees all these posts and comments about how dangerous it is to live in a majority black area, and justifiably is concerned about where widespread dissemination of these thoughts could lead. If I were in his position I’d be tempted to fight this any way I could.
And to be clear, I really don’t disagree with the basics of what you write. I live in a majority black city, and the few safe areas all have the same thing in common. . . few blacks.
Well, if you’re going to start worrying about classes of people, crime and low intelligence. What about men versus women.
Men commit FAR more violent crime than women.
Men tend to have lower intelligence than women (although they also tend to have more extremely intelligent members i.e. those on the farthest end of the bell curve)
So what?
Let’s round up the men and put them in gas chambers! Avoid men at all costs!
Oh wait a minute that’s too harsh. Maybe we should just avoid “feral” men.
O.k. now we’re all nice and safe!
p.s. thanks for the kind words Roy.
Tubbs you now sound like you don’t know what to do with yourself. This blogsite is just all about revealing the truth in all its nastiness, although I speak for myself, I don’t hate Black men, I don’t hate you. I know four decent black men that are part of my wife’s family, one passed away from cancer two years ago.
I did the Eulogy in front of about 150 people 9/10s of which were black. I hired a black man (my uncle in law) to put new flooring in my last apartment suite. Why am I here now speaking about black crime, and failure?
Its because I wanted to see what life is like one day from a Black perspective, so then I went on the internet. Thats how it began for me, all the hatred and racism I encountered towards whites . . . Something that totally dumbstruck me. Keep in mind there is around 30 thousand Blacks here in a greater city area of 3 million, and all are immigrants since the mid sixties, or possibly a few thousand from back east. Either way we just don’t know Blackness here like the Unites States does, in Vancouver you’d have to drive east for five days to find any significant number of Black Canadians who happen to live in Toronto.
If I didn’t find raging hostility towards whites online then I wouldn’t have started looking at anti-white websites just so I can keep some kind peace of mind. But I wasn’t happy at Stormfront because you could say lets round all the Blacks up and lynch them and you’d get cheers there. I just want a place that talks honestly without the deep hatred. A lot of information comes out of Amren, and its nearly all articles snipped from media reports, so how can this information be so far off when it comes to mundane things such as racial relations? This blog gives you the chance to talk more freely about these things.
So Tubbs,
How do react to the anti-white rhetoric of the aforementioned websites, not to mention the self hating white website Race Traitor?
Do you sit in their Amen corner agreeing or do you argue with them as well?
Really want to know…
“If I didn’t find raging hostility towards whites online then I wouldn’t have started looking at anti-white websites”
Quoting myself, meant to say “started looking at pro-white websites”
Daelyn, I don’t think I’ve ever been on any black hate-whites site (or any other black site to be honest).
Would be curious to take a look a couple of them. Got any links? Just a mild curiosity. Is the level of conversation stimulating? What are the sites like?
Wonder if the SPLC has them listed as “hate sites”.
Anti-white rhetoric is just as bad as as anti-black rhetoric.
I stumbled across this site as I was surfing for . . . I don’t even remember what I was looking for at this point.
I’ve never seen a “race traitor” site.
I see no purpose in demonizing any group except hate groups.
There are many problems in the Black community. There are many problems in the American community. But pointing fingers and saying “oh those Blacks” doesn’t seem like a particularly smart way to address these problems.
If you think the root cause of crime is low IQ then what do you propose to do about that? Hide? Pat yourself on the back because the white guy down the street has a high IQ?
No.
You go about addressing improved education, nutrition, and pre-natal care.
If you’re concerned about out of wedlock birthrates do you wag your finger and say “oh those Latinos”?
No, you try to inform people that two parent households and graduating from high school tend to keep people out of poverty.
The deomonization of people that you are ostensibly concerned about belies disdain and contempt, not concern. I think this is obvious.
As for raging hostility, I save that for sites like this and people that condone them. I have no hostility toward white people or black people at all. In fact, I think pride in one’s culture is fine.
But there’s a big difference between pride in one’s culture (like the “Kiss me I’m Irish” t-shirts) versus encouraging supremecy of one’s own race and/or hatred of other races.
—}I see no purpose in demonizing any group except hate groups.
There are many problems in the Black community. There are many problems in the American community. But pointing fingers and saying “oh those Blacks” doesn’t seem like a particularly smart way to address these problems.
If you think the root cause of crime is low IQ then what do you propose to do about that? Hide? Pat yourself on the back because the white guy down the street has a high IQ?{–
This has nothing to do with patting myself on the back because I belong to a particular group. It is simply recognizing the different behaviors in the groups, and for this discussion, it is recognizing differences in crime and how intelligence effects those differences and how I can least be effected by them.
There’s nothing I can do personally about low IQ people who commit a lot of crime except for ensure that I do not live around them. I realize there are fine, upstanding blacks that I might miss out on knowing, but one must weigh the pluses and minuses, and unfortunately there’s way too much pathology in black communities for me to want to live there. It’s not about hiding. Most places are still fine to go to. One simply has to use some discretion and judgement, and in my judgement, the prudent thing is to avoid black communities.
cont…
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–}You go about addressing improved education, nutrition, and pre-natal care.
If you’re concerned about out of wedlock birthrates do you wag your finger and say “oh those Latinos”?
No, you try to inform people that two parent households and graduating from high school tend to keep people out of poverty.{—
All that’s fine, and I’m all for individuals and groups improving themselves to the best of their ability, as long as the uplifting of a group does not involved state sponsored discrimination based on race against another group (which is what affirmative action is). I’m for a meritocracy.
–}The demonization of people that you are ostensibly concerned about belies disdain and contempt, not concern. I think this is obvious.{–
What you call demonization, I call rightly bringing into the sunshine the various pathologies of a community. If you never honestly name the problem, you can never hope to improve it. Sites like Guy’s or AmRen will report on these pathologies when the PC MSM will do all they can to obfuscate the problems.
Speaking of demonization, the PC narrative of the past several decades has been “whites as source of evil” to include Whiteness Studies, white privilege, non-coverage of black crime, playing up of white crime (perceived or real), tearing down western civilization and heritage (and particularly the white male), villainizing national heroes, portraying our country as having been built on evil, relativism, multiculturalism, and on and on. All of which has put us firmly on the path to being a Third World nation. Demographics (and our insane immigration policies and failure to seal our borders) will dictate that it be so, for what makes a place a third world nation. Not the arbitrary border lines on an map. It’s the people. Your demographics become third world, your country becomes third world. The Golden Goose (America) will go tits up (third world) by mid century it appears. Those who loathe us (and yet still stream into here) may cheer that notion, but it just means that America will soon be no different than Mexico, or Zimbabwe (though Brazil might be the most accurate comparison).
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I rather liked the America before the mid-60s. It was near to the way Guy described it in this very article. Crime rates were never lower than in the 50s.
Would that it were not so, but demographics matter.
When black kids try to achieve in school and not speak ebonics, they are often regarded as sellouts and ‘acting white’ by fellow blacks. A group that uses far more federal and state resources than they produce might engender a little resentment, especially if they are always screaming about how much more (white) society owes them. When you factor in that the same group that gets state sponsored help at the expense of whites (AA), performs the poorest of any group in school, commits the most crimes by far, and when you consider inter-racial crime, it is overwhelmingly blacks victimizing whites, yes, there will be some resentment toward the group as a whole, even while recognizing that there are many fine folks within that group that don’t fit the negative mold.
Clean up the behaviors, stop using welfare at rates far and away above any other group, start achieving in school, stop committing so many crimes, etc, etc, and people will not have a negative view of the group. It really is cause and effect, and not the boogeyman of white racism. It is a rational reaction to a group with far too much pathology in its community.
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It’s not the color of skin that people find objectionable. It is pathology and behavior within a community. People by and large have no problems with Asians at all. They go about their business, commit very few crimes, are high achievers, and are generally responsible and productive members of society.
And since you brought up Latinos, yes, there is more pathology, crime, high dropout rates, high births out of wedlock, more welfare use, more gang activity, and the ever present grafitti, etc, etc in the Latino community as well. So there is a similar cause and effect rational reaction to those negative behaviors. And as with blacks, it’s not based on racism, it’s based on the quite natural reaction to negative behaviors. It would be unnatural to put your head in the same and pretend that everyone is the same when there are clear patterns that emerge and are identifiable by racial group. White political correctness is an unnatural suicide cult in its refusal to recognize differences (ironic since they both want to celebrate diversity and deny any differences all at once).
I have no issues at all with the Asian or Jewish communities (though they are generally liberal and I disagree with them on many policy issues.) Both those groups are high scholastic achievers, do well in business, are low welfare users, commit fewer crimes than their numbers would suggest, and are generally productive members of society with low levels of pathology within thier communities.
Real racism would be disliking a person or a group of people for reasons other than bad or criminal behavior. That’s a whole different kettle of fish than what I call Rational Discrimination.
It ain’t about color. It’s about behavior. We in the realist community simply don’t play the PC game and pretend that all groups are exactly the same and that race is a social construct. When those real differences hurt our community, we should, as responsible citizens, speak up about it, and wake as many people up from their PC stupor as possible. That’s what a site like Guy’s is all about.
I’d like to give you links but that was around three years ago when I started looking into it. I think the easiest start would be the forums on the BET website, and also anywhere you find a website discussing the notion of a white male and a black female relationship you’ll get some the occaisonal seriously ignorant response from black men in particular and the occaisonal ignorant black woman.
I’ve read comments from black men stating that white men are evil and its their duty to do everything they can to harm them. Some black men consider the idea of having sex with white women the ideal way to get back at the white man for all the years of repression. Some black woman said that the only way for a black woman to be with a white man is if its a slave type of relationship, obviously because white men are so evil and controlling and they just want a black woman to be a sex/work object like back in the days of slavery.
I’m reading all these comments and i’m wondering what the hell is going on as there was no end to them, and I had no idea where this shit is coming from.
“do I really have to go to a white supremecist web site”
Does every site that disagrees with black nationalists instantly become “white supremacist”?
“So, as I pointed out in another thread here: You have 2 green people that are both murderers. That means 100% of green people are murderers!!!! ARGH!!! Lock your doors!”
But there aren’t two blacks and Latinos out there. They are 25% of the population and commit over 75% of all the violent crime.
Now that’s pretty scary.
“Let’s use an example like you used above. Let’s say there are 500 whites, and 51 of them commited a crime, and there are 100 blacks, and 50 of them committed a crime.
To you (and your specious line of reasoning), this would indicate that whites commit more crime than blacks. To any normal sentient being, they’d interpret that as blacks are 5 times more likely to commit crime than whites.”
That’s more or less correct (although the percentage of whites committing crime tends to be higher than the 10% you’ve graciously assigned and the percentage of Blacks committing crime is also much lower).
The point is 51 criminals is a greater problem than 50 criminals.”
Ok, but these 51 white criminals will be spread among 10 different schools, meaning that the white schools will have only 5 criminals. Meanwhile, the 50 black criminals will all be in one black school.
The result will be that the black school will be unbearable while the white school will be decent.
“Men tend to have lower intelligence than women”
Among blacks, that’s true. Black women are significantly more intelligent than black men.
Overall in the US, it’s even.
Among whites, men are slightly more intelligent.
Look Tubbs,
I don’t hate black people, neither do I think they are inferior, and neither do I even think they are less intelligent. Most of my personal interactions with individual blacks have been very positive. I also recognize that blacks have made many positive contributions to our nation’s culture, in areas like music and dance.
I’m just sick of blacks, as a group, ceaselessly attacking my people — both physically and politically. It isn’t good for me or my family, and it isn’t good for our country. Did it ever occur to you that if this nation become so weak because of these ceaseless ideological attacks on its foundational majority, that we can’t defend ourselves from a predatory rising power like China, it won’t be good for either of our peoples?
I’m also rather frustrated at seeing once-advanced, once-civilized cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, New Orleans, again and again and again, become appendages of Soweto. I also realize that a lot of these attacks on us are not even mostly your fault, because a lot of evil nasty white leftists are making big money and power out of “black rage.” But all I know is that my people are being attacked, and what’s worse, any attempts to defend ourselves, even physically, is derided and suppressed as “racist.” This is deeply unfair, and it’s what is driving the growth of sites like this one.