Occidental Dissent writes:
It doesn’t seem to have occurred to Guy White that pro-White activism of any sort is “radical” by definition. In the United States, any confession of white pride is enough to get one instantly branded as a racist and white supremacist… Jobling failed to capitalize on his one asset: when you lack mainstream respectability, when you don’t have to give lip service to America’s court etiquette, you are free to tell the truth. Trying to keep a foot in both worlds, one in mainstream neoconservatism, the other in beyond the pale racialism, doesn’t seem to impress anyone.
First, I allow more criticism of Jews here on any given week than Amren allowed in all the years since 1990 combined. (And despite what Ian Jobling said, it was clear that Jared Taylor sided with Michael Hart over David Duke during the conference, in his follow-up statement and at the next conference when Duke was prevented from attending and Jews were actively recruited.) In fact, I allow more of it than Amren and VDARE combined. I’ve never blocked any anti-Jewish comments until today for the reasons stated below.
Second, I’m not lying to maintain respectability. I write the truth as I see it. Just because I’m free to say what I want, doesn’t mean I have to go off the deep end with delusions and hallucinations about an all-encompassing conspiracy, as well a lack of a emotional response.
I completely disagree with your original premise that you will always be branded as an outcast by everyone. Your “everyone” seems to mean SPLC. I’ve had enough of my articles published around the internet and Republicans (freerepublic, etc), as well as centrists, are always very receptive to my views.
Third, if you want to write about the Jews, for or against, that’s fine. But you have to make a legitimate argument based on statistics, not your imagination.
When writing about black crime, you cite national statistics. If Afrocentrists respond by citing a few white corporate criminals and serial killers, you laugh at them because you realize that while everyone has criminals, national statistics is the only way to gauge how crime-prone the population is.
Then you turn around and instead of citing the Jewish crime rate, you come up with the same 3-4 names of Jewish criminals, and all the violent ones are from the 1920s. Do you even realize that the fact that you have to cite people from the time Calvin Coolidge was President actually proves that Jews are non-violent? Your argument may work in Hitler’s bunker, but to everyone else, you are actually proving yourself wrong.
I allowed all sorts of things like that to be written about the Jews, while blocking similar “arguments” about whites. Honestly, that’s not fair and a few minutes ago I deleted a few comments. (I must say, I love how the Nazis always rail about not being able to speak their mind on various forums, only to block even the mildest dissent on their own websites and condemning the tiniest disagreement using the worst terminology they can think of.)
I’ve listed my rules before, but here’s a reminder of what won’t be allowed:
1. Stating naked assertions without proof. (“They are dangerous.” Nothing else, just move on to your next argument.)
2. Using circular reasoning (“White cornerbacks are discriminated against because colleges discriminate against them.)
3. Using anecdotes instead of statistics (“Here are five Jews who are criminals.”)
4. Using a conclusion as a reason, and failing to differentiate between the two. (“Jews are violent because the Jewish mafia is uniquely dangerous.”) Just because you state two conclusions, doesn’t mean that either one of them was ever proven.
5. Using some facts and then filling in the rest with your own imagination. (“Jews founded the NAACP”, which is true, but then adding “because Jews benefit from affirmative action” is your imagination. The statement may be true or false [it's obviously false since Jews are marked as white], but please back it up somehow. You can’t just back up the first half of your argument without stating any evidence for the second half.)
No doubt everyone whose comments will be blocked from now on will conclude that they defeated me and I just couldn’t stand up to their genius. This is the same theory leftists and Afrocentrists come up with after I block them. If that’s what makes you feel better, more power to you.
Oh, and Occidental Dissent readers who consider me to be “truly deranged” for believing that the world is better with the Allies rather than the Nazis winning WWII should stay on that blog where they will be free to discuss how that argument will win a lot of elections and help the white race.
What are your thoughts on jews being over-represented in leftist political organisations and in the media. They may not engage in conspiracy, but it’s hard to deny their influence, and the fact that it is overwhelmingly negative.
My opinion is just what you wrote. They are over represented, though they are over represented at leadership level for all positions from Left to Right, including race realists and anti-immigrationists. The truly negative part is a majority of Jews are on the Left.
The effect is negative. Jewish organizations like ADL and AJC need to be stopped. But Jewish-run organizations like the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) must be acknowledged and supported.
The fact that ADL is wrong on everything doesn’t mean we should deny the Holocaust. One issue has nothing to do with the other.
According to Ron Unz, a Jew, Harvard’s Jewish population is 25-35% Jewish. He suggests “This entire ethnic dilemma is present to a greater or lesser degree at most of our other elite educational institutions: Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley and so on.” In the early 20th C. Harvard restricted Jewish admission to 15%. Affirmative action has benefited Jews while discriminating against non-Jewish whites.
http://www.onenation.org/1198/111698b.html
ASDF,
I know your question was addressed to GW, but please
let me give my biased opinion.
The majority of jews have always flocked to the polar
opposite of good. Recently liberalism, communism,
pornography, financial fraud, insert long list……
Look for the worst in humankind and you will no doubt
find a yid as the bandleader.
BUT, from the “good” side of the same coin you will find
the the most amazing examples of kindness, compassion,
and decency.
I once read that by now the jewish population should
equal that of the chinese. G-d has always let us be
our own undoing. Even at our inception as a people,
Moshe came down the mountain and found his brother
hosting an orgy. Jewish history is very long and very
complex. There have been many exiles. The
religious will never give up hope that this is all leading
somewhere.
And to the perennial hater of all things jewish,
For every “bad” jew you will ever hear about there are
countless others who do good each and every day.
I agree with you about the dissent thing. People who fit the neo-nazi profile even go so far as to make false “free speech” forums where they argue that they are advancing free speech rather than nazism…and then they clamp down on anybody who ideologically outshines them.
I won’t mention any names.
Is there any proof antisemitism is a vote winner?
Geert Wilders speaks favorably of Jews and Israel and he is close to becoming Prime Minister of the Netherlands.
By contrast, how many elections have Stormfront/Majority Rights/Occidental Dissent won recently?
Out of interest Guy, what is your ethnic origin?
I don’t even see why this struggle has to be about race? All people who believe in freedom of association should be considered allies, while those who don’t, should not. Its that simple….as long as people support protecting private property, then ethnic origin doesn’t matter? I’d rather live in a community with Michele Malkin than Hilary Clinton or Paul Gottfried than Bill Ayers.
Top hat,
In fact the vast majority of self-described conservatives, the folks most likely to agree with us on affirmative action, non-white immigration, etc. are extremely pro-Israel and least likely to harbor anti-Semitic views.
If anything, Evangelicals and most other conservatives and even moderate Republicans like Rudy Giuliani are going to be turned off by anti-Semitism.
Hardcore Liberals, even Jewish ones like Noel Ignatiev, would eat up Nazi anti-Zionism and ask for more.
Every race has it’s criminals, but only blacks seem to worship or excuse them as a reflex, followed by hispanics who want us to welcome their illegals and ignore their cholo gnagbangers. The Jews didn’t flock to defend Myer Lansky, talking about how 2K years of Antisemitism made him a monster
Actually, Moslems too worship their terrorists.
Antisemites argue at the same time that Jews are all powerful that Jews should be excluded from political movements.
Intelligent people see a contradiction. If Jews are so powerful, then the goal is obviously to USE Jews as chesspieces to further your cause. If homosexuals had political power, indeed I would welcome the support of homosexuals in alliance against immigration. Anti-semites who complain about Jewish power don’t understand manipulation and politics. If the power is there, than take advantage of it and hijack it.
Arguing that Jews are often political opponents is correct. Arguing that they should stay that way is idiotic.
Morris,
Could you please cite some examples of Black folks enmasse “worshipping” its criminals? Thanks.
O
Prozium is right to be pro-extremist but wrong to hang on Jews so much.
Extremist Jews are superior to mainstream non-Jews. Extremists write the course of history. A rejection of antisemitism is not necessarily a rejection of extremism.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/03/26/2009-03-26_calling_him_a_true_hero_mourners_hold_vi.html
“Morris,
Could you please cite some examples of Black folks enmasse “worshipping” its criminals? Thanks.”
I think one example typifies this entire phenomenon: OJ.
OneSTDV,
Interesting that you bring up Simpon’s case; are you aware of the fact that his case was responsible for overturning literally hundreds of previous drug and other cases, on the grounds of corrupt elements of longstanding in the LAPD? If ever a department needed a Serpico-like figure, its the LAPD.
Until then though, OJ Simpson, will do.
Now One, let’s try this again: can you cite some examples per my last post? Thanks.
Oh, and still waiting for you to broach the topic of HBD vis a vie Game. Can’t wait.
O
Obsidian
Isnlt that what rap is all about, bragging about criminal behavior then complaining about being profiled by racist police etx? The Jena 6 criminals were hailed as heroes, honored by the NAACP & BET, when in fact there was absolutely no connection between the nooses to the boy they stomped. Besides, some black already burned half the school down earlier but I guess a noose is an excuse for just about anything in Sharpton’s universe. Someday we may even find out the infamous Columbia noose was nothing but a fraud perpetrated by a fraudulent professor to take the heat off of herself if the PC douchebags who run Columbia have any integrity.
Of course, don’t forget OJ, who all of a sudden discovered his blackness when it became time to play the race card to the mental midgets on the jury. Michaeil Jackson is a joke even in death; a creep who tried to make himself white and now Sharpton et al want to reclaim him.
Jakester,
Actually, Hip Hop deals w/a great many concerns and themes; one of its greatest songs is an ode to a Woman’s beauty: “Roxanne, Roxanne” by the immortal group, UTFO. There are many, many other such examples. Consider A Tribe Called Quest’s “Bonita Applebum”, Mos Def’s “Miss Phat Booty” or Common’s “The Light”.
It behooves those, like yourself, who wishes to tear down Hip Hop, to first take a page out of our truly historic President’s book, and learn what you’re talking about first, before actually opening your mouth.
As for Simpson’s racial discovery, its a sad but all too true fact, that there are times when one is reminded of just who they are in The Great American Skin Game. African Americans embraced Simpson more because of what his trial represented, not because of the Man personally.
As for the late great Michael Jackson, yes, it is true, he desired to be White. There’s simply no doubt about it. But is that really surprising-look how long Black folk have been maligned in our national (and before that, colonial) history. Still, for all his problems, the world honors him, in virtually every nation, every society. The shrill voices such as yours, are and always will be, a distinct, puny, and truly pathetic, minority.
O
Posting against O
What a waste of time and typing.
Perhaps he is secretly afraid of the future and what
genomic science will reveal.
Keep looking to the past, I look to the future.
The white man keep me down excuse! Blacks will always
be predisposed to behavior whites find abhorrent.
Asian immigrants assimilate to American culture in one
generation. Mexicans show they are willing to do the
dirty work blacks were once useful for. A possible silver
lining to multiculti could be all ethnic minorities questioning
what is the purpose of the black man other than living
off the largess of everyone else.
ADeck,
I don’t recall ever blaming anyone, White or any other color, for my station in life, nor do I recall ever pining away for a mythical, magic good ole days; I’d like to see those quotes, please?
As for the future, I think its pretty bright for African Americans:
Michael Jackson continues to be mourned worldwide
Oprah Winfrey remains as the richest self made Woman or any color
And Barack Obama becomes the United States’ first African American President.
Not bad for starters.
So…you were saying?
O
Posting with “O”
is a waste of time.
Yes, ADeck, it will be a waste of time *for you* because I won’t allow you to foist your feeble attempts at Ad Hom on me. Instead I will calmly parry all such nonsense w/clear thoughts and well-put comments, fact-based and well and easily documented, designed to thoroughly discredit, disrupt, and just plain ole dis, anything you attempt to post here in reply to me.
In other words, I will pin you to the backboard. Early and often.
So…you were saying?
O
Posting with “O”
is a waste of time and typing.
“Actually, Hip Hop deals w/a great many concerns and themes; one of its greatest songs is an ode to a Woman’s beauty: “Roxanne, Roxanne” by the immortal group, UTFO. There are many, many other such examples. Consider A Tribe Called Quest’s “Bonita Applebum”, Mos Def’s “Miss Phat Booty” or Common’s “The Light”.”
Come on man. “A Tribe Called Quest”?!?? Real mainstream stuff there.
Mainstream rap is all about the glorification of crime. Hell, much of it is justification of crime. I give you Biggie from “Juicy” :
“buildings that I was hustlin’ in front of that called the police on
me when I was just tryin’ to make some money to feed my daughters, ”
See it’s ok to deal drugs and bring crime into a community because he was just trying to feed his daughter. Or how about this little ditty from NWA:
“buildings that I was hustlin’ in front of that called the police on
me when I was just tryin’ to make some money to feed my daughters, ”
Ironically, Eazy-E was a member of the Crips. I’m sure they were profiling him unjustifiably.
I could go on for days. MAINSTREAM RAP deals primarily with increasing one’s “street cred”. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
One,
When have I ever said otherwise? Nice strawman, but sorry, that genetically-hopped up dog just won’t hunt.
What *I* was saying was that there is MORE to Hip Hop than Biggie, NWA or 50 Cent, all of whom I like, btw. Oh, and Tribe had and continues to have, mad fans. When you actually know Black folk beyond what you read online, you’d know that.
I stand by what I said, One. I defy you to prove, otherwise.
And looking forward to that groundbreaking series, on the HBD implications, of Game…
O
Okay Obsidian
Hip Hop is not as bad as rap and certainly many songs and performers are decent, but you can’t deny the criminal gang mentality behind it all. Yes, and certainly there is a tradition of admiring criminals in the US ala Bonny and Clyde or Jesse James, yah yah, no one said whites or the US were perfect.
Yup Jakester, all of what you say is true.
See? Now that wasn’t so bad, was it?
O
Obsidian-
Do you realize that you just admitted that although hip hop is not as bad as rap that a criminal gang mentality is behind it all? Now, if we can only get those white rappers to stop glorifying Jesse James and Bonnie&Clyde we can have world peace.
When some punk/heavy metal rockers began glorifying neo-Nazism, they were quickly clamped down. Nobody explained them away as vocalizing some frustration.
But black hate is glorified.
GW, Fred,
Again, I think its safe to say that I’m a bit more informed on Hip Hop than either of you, yes? And I’m telling you that its much more complex than either of you are led to believe. And since I’m a big fan of various rock bands and rock music in general, I would never attempt to present it as if all rock bands were Neo Nazis. That’s just plain silly.
As for the whole criminal fascination Americans have, Fred, go back to what Jakester said. One of the biggest movies on this 4th of July holiday is about one of the worst bank robbers and killers EVER in USA history, John Dillinger. Had absolutely nothing to do w/Hip Hop.
That’s not excusing or explaining nothing away insofar as Hip Hop goes-what it does is lets it off the scapegoating hook that far too many Hip Hip ignorant folk are too quick to whip out.
O
I think you are right to exclude antisemites but you do it for the wrong reason.
They should be exuded just for being idiots who pollute intellectual discussion. But the idea of “going mainstream” is also misguided.
Another thing is that they are divisive, not merely arguing that Jews should tow a party line but drying to drive Jews away. Obviously a smart leader can’t tolerate that.
But dropping antisemitism should be done for internal reasons, not to increase the size of the ranks.
O,
The difference with a move about Dillinger is that its strictly entertainment. Perhaps a handful of idiots will be influenced and decide to become bankrobbers or petty thugs, but it doesn’t reflect a culture.
Gansta rap does reflect a culture. Its not as simple as saying listening to rap causes negative behaviors, maybe rap is only describing the behavior that already existed. But far too many blacks actually live the lifestyle that is described in gangsta rap – how many whites can you honestly say live the lifestyle described in the Dillenger movie? Is it even enough to consider it a culture?
A key difference with nazi punk is that mainstream rock bands have nothing to do with them, regularly denounce them, and oppositional punk bands exist and are much more popular.
How often do non-gangsta rappers denounce gangsta rappers? It happens, but is rare; more often they behave as if they are part of the same family. Have many groups that explicitly counter gangsta rap come up; and how much success have they had?
I know, you get the occasional song from a gangsta rapper attempting to preach peace, but the next song on the album is back to the same old crap. I think Dr. Dre at one point denounced the whole thing – then his next CD was the same old crap.
And for your earlier question:
The Oakland cop-killer was honored, with a makeshift grave marker set up at the place of his (well-deserved) killing, and a march that intentionally passed by and taunted the police station.
Clarification needed:
“A key difference with nazi punk is that mainstream rock bands have nothing to do with them, regularly denounce them, and oppositional punk bands exist and are much more popular.”
Nazi punk bands are such a small phenomenon, in terms of the number of bands as well as number of fans, that they go unnoticed by most in this country. There is no reason for mainstream bands (Pearl Jam, Aerosmith) to mention them – although some have put them down occasionally. Within the punk community, the dominant bands (who I mistakenly referred to as mainstream in my first post) regularly put down nazi bands. Fugazi (and everyone else on Dischord records), Bad Religion, NOFX are clearly and blatantly anti-nazi and would never collaborate with or tour with them.
On the flip side, gangsta rap is the primary genre, is the most popular and gets the most attention, and is rarely taken to task for its promotion of crime, ignorance, misogyny, and general negativity. R&B singers, and hip/hoppers regularly collaborate with and tour with gangsta rappers.
And let me cut off the inevitable “more whites buy rap CDs than blacks” reply. The percentage of blacks who like rap is higher. The percentage of blacks who take it to heart and adopt the culture is exponentially higher.
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