Robert Lyndsay’s comment:
I think you and the like are blazing an interesting path on the outskirts of a pro-White consciousness that avoids the extremes of White nationalism and the like. The POV that you and your ilk are propounding here could quite possibly go over in a big way with a huge % of US Whites.Whereas White nationalism is essentially an extremist and fanatical and racist dead-end.
I have the feeling that most US Whites are not racist, but they are still proud to be White, don’t want to see White culture die, and are distressed by hate crimes, discrimination and hate propaganda directed at them. Someone needs to speak for these people.
I wondered about just that recently. In April, I had a choice to make. Do I sell-out to get traffic or do I say what I think? Like I said before, one of my formative memories as a child was listening to my grandfather’s stories about fighting the Nazis during WWII, and it would be a tremendous dishonor to his memory were I to embrace NS ideas.
Beyond that, however, I also consider NS ideas to be false. Nazis argue against the Jews in an identical fashion as blacks argue against whites. (They are over-represented, therefore they are out to get us; Take a look at this blog to disprove government statistics compiled over decades or even centuries; Everyone except Leonard Jeffries/David Duke sold out or too stupid to know the truth.)
No honest person can possibly subscribe to NS ideas. All the Nazis would’ve been Afrocentrists if they were born black. To them, it’s not the principle that matters, but whose cow is getting gored. To a degree, I agree with it, we must support our own kind. But we must remain intellectually consistent.
If you based black failure on IQ and laugh at blacks who say that IQ doesn’t explain differences, then you can’t suddenly start arguing that IQ doesn’t explain differences where you don’t come ahead.
If you want to argue that whites should come out ahead of blacks and others just because you want it that way, that’s fine. But you can’t argue IQ is real, and then turn around and argue that it’s not.
Likewise, you can’t argue that racial crime gaps are real based on government statistics, and laugh off those Afrocentrists who claim that the statistics are all a big conspiracy… and then turn around and argue in favor of the same conspiracy when government statistics don’t show what they want them to show. If you laugh at blacks who cite a few white criminals, you can’t turn around and cite a few Jewish criminals as proof of massive Judeo-crime. It’s not a consistent position, nor is it honest.
So I decided that I’ll say what I want to say, and people are free to leave. I’d rather have 10 honest, smart people here than 500 caricature Nazis who don’t even understand why they can’t inconsistent things about IQ, crime, etc.
The immediate effect on the wordpress counter was a ~10% drop in traffic, so I decided to put a more reliable counter (wordpress only counts hits, not unique visitors).
These were the statistics exactly 2 months ago: 502 individuals per day. (Repeat visitors stats aren’t accurate because they are based on cookies, which are often deleted or outright blocked.)
| Page Loads | Unique Visitors | ||||
| Total | 5,201 | 3,516 | |||
| Average | 743 | 502 | |||
| Day | Date | Page Loads | Unique Visitors | ||
| Monday | 4th May 2009 | 762 | 510 | ||
| Sunday | 3rd May 2009 | 947 | 563 | ||
| Saturday | 2nd May 2009 | 598 | 409 | ||
| Friday | 1st May 2009 | 663 | 433 | ||
| Thursday | 30th April 2009 | 680 | 503 | ||
| Wednesday | 29th April 2009 | 790 | 536 | ||
| Tuesday | 28th April 2009 | 761 | 562 | ||
Now compare it to the last 7 days. To my complete amazement, the traffic actually increased 45% to an average of 724 visitors daily.
| Page Loads | Unique Visitors | ||||
| Total | 7,741 | 5,070 | |||
| Average | 1,106 | 724 | |||
| Day | Date | Page Loads | Unique Visitors | ||
| Sunday | 28th June 2009 | 1,235 | 796 | ||
| Saturday | 27th June 2009 | 1,139 | 656 | ||
| Friday | 26th June 2009 | 1,144 | 796 | ||
| Thursday | 25th June 2009 | 1,026 | 698 | ||
| Wednesday | 24th June 2009 | 968 | 669 | ||
| Tuesday | 23rd June 2009 | 1,024 | 729 | ||
| Monday | 22nd June 2009 | 1,205 | 726 | ||
There’s only one explanation that I can think of and that would be Robert Lindsay’s. A legitimate pro-white movement has some appeal to the Average Joe Six-Pack. But a white movement based on NS ideas would only draw the hate of every person whose father or grandfather fought against the Third Reich, and indeed of every decent person out there.
Many say that liberals will still hate us. Maybe. But I’m not after liberals, I’m after the Average Joe. Nobody runs for President appealing to SPLC-types. They run for office appealing to Joe-the-Plumber. Likewise, all ideas must be meant for him.
But why the sudden 45% jump? My guess would be that in rejecting Nazism and extremism, I “allowed” people to tell their friends that there’s someone writing against affirmative action, against Third World immigration, against gay marriage, against leftist Jewish organizations, against Catholic Churches that hide illegal immigrants, against Evangelicals who deny evolution, against indoctrination in schools, against Lysenkoism on race and IQ, but who’s also not a Nazi.
They want someone to speak up for the white race, but they don’t want to be embarrassed by clowns.
If you look at all the successful blogs, none of them write ridiculous things about Holocaust denial and Jewish conspiracies. Steve Sailer, Vanishing American, Irish Savant and others know the truth about the damage caused by liberal Jewish organizations, but there’s a reason they don’t write crazy things about a global Jewish conspiracy that controls all sectors of the world.
Unlike Jared Taylor and Ian Jobling, I’ve allowed all sorts of comments on the Jews, including Holocaust denial and just outright insanity. As a result, I was forced into pro-Jewish arguments I really didn’t feel like making.
I can now understand the reason for their censorship. For every psychotic conspiracy theorist who is allowed to post, there are 50 normal people who are driven away, thinking that only the Nazis and the insane could possibly defend the white race.
I have no doubt that there are NS websites with much more traffic than I get here. Obviously I can’t compete with the Klan-ran Stormfront or even websites that have been around longer, and have multiple contributors.
But ultimately, NS is a dead-end. Yes, you can get 1% of the population, which is 3 million people, an awful lot for a single web site. But no movement will ever be built on the idea of a global conspiracy.
The reason for the sudden jump in traffic is that there are a lot more “normal” people who don’t want to be sent to the back of the line for being white than there are National-Socialists who hate everything about this country. Nazis are anything but conservative, traditional or patriotic. I have yet to hear a single NS say anything positive about America. Do they even root for the U.S. in international sporting competitions?
Ultimately, I must admit that I’m very glad there’s a greater market for sanity than conspiracy theories.
This post of mine, Who Will Speak For Them? is very much along the same lines as yours here. Thought you might be interested.
There is a lot to be discussed here. Experience from political organizers would indicate that the extremists in a movement make the moderate elements look more reasonable. Thus, the Black Panthers/Black Muslims made Martin Luther King’s wing of the civil rights movement an alternative for Whites who wanted to negotiate to end segregation. The fact that the “moderate” elements of the civil rights movement, in the end, implemented the radical agenda goes by the boards (affirmative action, busing, hate crime legislation, the destruction of White South Africa, et alia).
Two of your quotes from this post: “So I decided that I’ll say what I want to say, and people are free to leave.” VERSUS “As a result, I was forced into pro-Jewish arguments I really didn’t feel like making.”
Notice any contradiction there?
Also, you do know that anti-Jewish sentiment has existed for thousands of years and has, for whatever reasons, popped up in every single area/region/nation that the Jews have ever settled in throughout their history, meaning it was not invented by the German National Socialists (“Nazis”) who were in power between 1933-45, right?
Why do you and so many others keep using pitiful hyperbole to label or call any and all people who have some anti-Jewish beliefs “Nazis”? Some are opposed to Jews on ethnic/racial grounds, some for political purposes, others for religious reasons, many cite economic issues in relation to their anti-Jewish beliefs, a lot of people oppose the very liberal social policies that Jews so often champion, and so on and so forth.
Were Ferdinand and Isabella “Nazis” for expelling all Jews from Spain in 1492, and the Portuguese royalty for doing the same only five years later? Were the Russian Czars “Nazis” for confining Jews to the Pale of Settlement and restricting their occupations? Were all of the various the Slavs and Eastern European peasants also “Nazis” for performing many pogroms against the Jews over the centuries? Were the ancient Romans “Nazis” for conquering ancient Judea, killing/enslaving many Jews, and burning Jerusalem almost totally to the ground? Were the English “Nazis” for expelling all Jews from the British Isles in 1290? Were the French “Nazis” for expelling 100,000 Jews in 1396? Were the Austrians of 1421 also “Nazis” for expelling thousands of Jews at that time? Was General U.S. Grant a “Nazi” for issuing General Order No. 11 (1862) which sought to expel all Jews from the areas of the American South that had fallen under Union Army control? The list just goes on and on and on…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism [note: that link is not comprehensive at all]
Come on now, the continual labeling of people who want to discuss the often negative effects that Jews have on Whites and their countries as “Nazis” gets very old and is unnecessarily hyperbolic, don’t you think?
OK, assume the Jews are a problem for Whites. Now what? Consider that every method of persecution has been launched against Jews: discrimination, expulsion, pogroms, mass murder, and so forth.
What is it that the anti-Jewish sector proposes to do today?
Whenever I read anti-Jewish opinion, I get the same feeling I get when I read conspiracy theorists. They seem to work on the assumptions that:
1) All evil in the world can be explained by pointing to a small, organized minority (Illuminati, Bildebergers, UFOs, Insiders, Jews…).
2) There is nothing practical, apparently, that can be done. At least I do not see any conspiracy theorist coming up with a conclusion that has any practical use in the real world. Say, for example, the next time the Bildebergers meet, hold a mass protest in front of their hotel or perhaps conduct some civil disobedience to disrupt their proceedings (in the same manner that the anti-globalism sector of the left protests the meetings of the IMF).
Instead, simply possessing some arcane knowledge about the conspirators is enough to give a sense of self-satisfaction that one is in-the-know and thus does not need do anything in the real world.
Again, I ask, if the Jews are the real problem…what next?
“it wouldn’t be good for Blacks as a group to have more than 15% or so of the power/influence/money in the USA because that is their percentage in the overall population. Why should they have more power/money/influence than their overall numbers in the population?”
Perhaps because they earned it. The above statements reek of wealth distribution and socialism. I guess we should give lazy NAMs a bunch of money even though they’re less intelligent and hard-working.
“the continual labeling of people who want to discuss the often negative effects that Jews have on Whites”
I’m curious why you think this occurs? I agree that Jewish liberals wield entirely too much power, but it’s mostly a consequence of me not liking liberals. It just so happens almost all Jews are liberals. GuyWhite posted a few posts down that Jews, probably for ethnocentric reasons, have fronted many socially destructive liberal policies like unfettered immigration. But he also showed Jews supporting conservative movements. I imagine you define “negative effects on whites” to be the liberal types of policies and stuff like race-denialism as in Gould and Lewontin. I also imagine some of the animosity stems from Jews being a successful minority.
White survival,
I’m the first to admit that I have a low IQ(compared with
most other Jews I’ve known throughout my life)
Look for a moment at the conservative talk radio cabal.
Look at the number of Conservative Right Jews that are
coming into prominence all the time. You just can’t get
over your jew hatred. You are a whiz at recapping
jew conspiracy/history. Every frum (religiously observant)
neighborhood has unofficial enforcers. Men who if needed
have to kick in the teeth of people who threaten our
weak. 99.99% of my friends have been white. Sometimes
reading what you write, I can’t help but wonder if you are
the type of guy who would punk a little old bubbie. You
won’t see it in movies or on tv, but there are tough jews
waiting to break your bones. Too bad you didn’t try to
find common ground with us.
Sorry GW, don’t mean to spew hatred on your blog.
I love this site and I love what you have to say. I’m just
a half wit.
A.Deckard: “Men who if needed have to kick in the teeth of people who threaten our weak. … You won’t see it in movies or on tv, but there are tough jews waiting to break your bones.”
Thanks for threatening me with bodily harm or even outright murder merely for exercising my Constitutionally guaranteed human right to free speech. You Jews sure don’t like or agree with freedom of speech too much when the free speech is focused on the negative side of Jews, that’s for damn sure.
You remind me of the words written by a recent Jewish blogger about Dr. Kevin MacDonald and his views; that Jewish blogger wrote that Dr. MacDonald “should be silenced” (http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/06/prof-macdonald-anti-racist.html) merely because he extensively documents and exposes the facts about the extremely negative influence that Jews so often have in White societies.
As for the “tough Jews” who would kill me and all other ‘anti-Semites’ if they had the chance merely for openly and freely speaking our minds about the negatives associated with Jews, I am aware of them; there in fact still exists a very dark, very underground, and extraordinarily violent/depraved ‘Jewish Mafia’ in the USA, though likely not to the extent which they existed in the past when so many of those Jewish mobsters were widely famous (notorious, actually) in the USA for their widespread crime, violence, drug dealing/smuggling, promotion of gambling, involvement in prostitution and the human slave-trade, and all kinds of other sickening black-market activities; see – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_American_mobsters
And also read – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-American_organized_crime
So much for the myth of Jews as a squeaky-clean group who is not very prone to crime.
And if you think the American ‘Jewish Mafia’ was/is bad, you would shudder to find out how horrible the ‘Jewish Mafia’ in the former USSR and modern Eastern Europe/Russia were and in some cases still are. I have recently come to understand that the Latin American ‘Jewish Mafia’ is also extraordinarily violent, murderous, and depraved compared to the North American branch.
The sad fact is though that all of these various ‘Jewish Mafias’ that exist in a bunch of countries around the world are internationally-linked in many respects and thus in reality form one single worldwide ‘Jewish Mafia’ that is a very dangerous and destabilizing global force.
White Survival,
I see this list as no different than the list of white serial killers.
First, obviously Jews have criminals. I’ve written about it here before.
Second, highly organized people do create organized crime. The Anglo-Saxons had the Klan. The Germans had the Nazis. The Jews, Italians and Orientals have/had “mafias”.
More importantly, however, is the fact that this is not overall crime statistics, but a list of criminals.
When the fat black woman told Jared Taylor that there are many white serials killers, listing them, that didn’t prove anything about black-white criminality.
Likewise, listing a list of Jewish criminals proves nothing. Their overall crime rate is lower than average. Same for Orientals and Asian Indians.
W Survival,
Nope, didn’t threaten to kill you, just reminiscing about
how humiliating it is for skin heads to get a knuckle
sandwich from a jew boy.
Keep on living in your “jews
rule the world” delusion. By the way, religious jews don’t
belong to the mob. If a jew chooses to leave the faith he’s
just as likely as a christian to do wrong. Religious jews
don’t go out and pick fights, but If a goon brings trouble
our way, don’t think we won’t fight back.
You are much too easy to bait. I’m actually chuckling,
while I imagine you are fuming to pieces.
Keep being distracted by jewish conspiracy while all the
other minorities mount their offensive against the both
of us. Didn’t you see that great line by GW about
nazis and jews killing each other off…go back and read it
slooooooowlllly.
Yes, I do appreciate that you are not a Nazi, GW. Actually, now that I remember the first time I stumbled across your blog, it was your position on Nazism that was the second thing I tried to deduce (the first thing was your position on race).
As for building a movement, just keep on doing what you’re doing. You do a great job.
Rome wasn’t built in a day, etc.
White Survival: Jews aside, Nazism is false because it worships as god something (the Nordic race) that is not. The Nordics are fine people but they aren’t gods.
How do we know the Nordics weren’t/aren’t gods? Well, gods don’t lose wars with mortals, that’s why.
The Nazis found this out the hard way. Would you please explain what part of the outcome of World War II supports your position?
Come on, let’s agree on the manifestly obvious: Nazism=falsehood.
That said, race and nation ARE essential to what we are–like our species, for instance. In today’s world I don’t think much about the fact that I’m human (and I bet you don’t either), but it’s absolutely essential to many of the functions/jobs that I fulfill.
In a healthy, normal society, race and nation would be much the same: it would be so basic and essential, you just wouldn’t think about it.
So, I agree with you WS that we do somehow need to restore race and nation to their proper place. But that proper place is most certainly not the object of our devotion (which is most properly God).
This is a bit philosophical/metaphysical, but I think it’s reasonably clear. Let me know if not.
I am a white nationalist (as far as North America is concerned), but I long ago realised that I didn’t have to be a nazi to be pro-white. It can be very confusing for a young person to be told that in order to be pro-white today, he has to basically stab his grandfathers in the back. I think that turns a lot of people off, but it doesn’t need to be that way.
What many people forget is that the countries that fought the Germans in ww2 were pretty much just as racist as the Germans, and the left has pulled off a major victory by connecting positive practices that were widespread among the western world with the nazis.
WS wrote: “Two of your quotes from this post: “So I decided that I’ll say what I want to say, and people are free to leave.” VERSUS “As a result, I was forced into pro-Jewish arguments I really didn’t feel like making.”
Notice any contradiction there?”
I meant that I was made to look like I am saying that all Jewish influence was positive.
“anti-Jewish sentiment has existed for thousands of years and has, for whatever reasons, popped up in every single area/region/nation that the Jews have ever settled in throughout their history”
So did anti-white sentiment. Everywhere whites went, they were/are despised, from Japan to Zimbabwe, and here in the US.
If whites weren’t despised and persecuted right here in the US, this blog would not have existed. What do you think is the point of me writing every day?
Success breeds resentment. That’s just common sense. Why do you think Turks hated Armenians and the Malay hate the Chinese?
More proof that that Nazis are liberals with the exception that one group hates blacks and the other hates whites, but they are otherwise in complete agreement.
Just checked my email and I got two emails with brilliant reasoning like “shut the fuck up” and “you are a little bitch”.
That kind of genius will definitely will change my opinion.
For a group that always advocates free speech for itself, the Nazis are awful intolerant of others’ speech.
I am really getting why Jared Taylor blocks anti-Semitic comments. It’s really hard to deal with the mentally ill who are consumed with their fantasies of a global, all-encompassing conspiracy by a tiny minority that is present in significant numbers in only one Gentile country.
I started out with the view that Jewish organizations are damaging this country (though I always thought that Jewish inventors did a tremendous amount of good), but at this point, I’m just about ready to march in the Israel Day parade just to stick it to the Nazis.
GW-
I’ve always thought any discussion of Nazis, Holocaust or Jewish Conspiracy should have been banned outright. In fact, when I first showed up it irritated me that you even let that crap on. That may not be freedom of speech, but like your page says “this is a private website”. The only thing that needs to be said about that is “no blood libel” and “everyone is entitled to decency”. And that goes for everyone.
=========================
GW responds: I wanted to allow a forum for a free flow of ideas, but some of this stuff isn’t ideas, it’s insanity. If these people tell the same thing to a doctor while excluding the word “Jew”, just describe their conspiracy ideas, they will get medicated. At this point, I really, truly believe that they are mentally ill and need help from someone who went to medical school.
Just to make it clear: the reason I used those two given weeks of traffic is that they were the first 7 days and the last 7 days at the time this was posted.
The second week, I actually got just 418 average visitors because the Nazis left. It was a consistent climb since including the 3 days since the post appeared when I’ve average 1,000+ uniquely visitors.
One person on Occidental Dissent suggested that it’s possible that I am getting more links. But other than OD, nobody else who disagreed with me linked in. Those who linked in were realists who don’t espouse crazy views. (By “crazy”, I don’t mean anti-Jewish, I mean in general.)
I believe most conservatives and even moderate Republicans know the truth. I know this because they speak to them daily and once you become close enough to people, they will say to you in private what I write on this blog.
They won’t link to web sites that are pick on every bad thing blacks do and declare it to be TNB (e.g., in one case a mentally ill black person poked his own eye out, which Yahoo’s AR List declared to be TBN. In fact, it’s not at all typical, and laughing at the mentally ill is grotesquely improper). “Normal” conservatives would be embarrassed to tell their friends they read such a web site and would never come back to read someone makes fun of the ill.
But they are opposed to affirmative action, to turning the country brown, to being sent to the back of the line for all jobs and college admissions.
Why did the Nazis leave your site?
I’m a Leftist, and let me tell you, LOTS of liberals and even some Leftists agree with race realism. They just don’t want to talk about it too much.
==================
GW responds: The neo-Nazis left because while they are concerned with blacks and Latinos, but they furiously hate the Jews. If they were told that Moslems will finish the Final Solution, they will gladly open the floodgates and let the Arabs overrun Europe.
Here’s Fred Reed’s quote:
You can’t be a liberal and a marxist at the same time.
Marxism means militant REVOLUTIONARY struggle with focus on class antagonisms. Liberal means American liberal.
They are completely different.