“John is white. He is married with two children. He wears a blue collar when he leaves his shabby, inner-city house to go to work. Life has been a struggle for John, but now he faces his most difficult challenge. John’s neighborhood is turning black. [...]
In a 50 percent black neighborhood, there is a 37 chance that John’s family will in some way be violently victimized. As the neighborhood relentlessly turns black, some whites will have to be among the last to leave. If John is unfortunate enough to be one them, he will face the following statistics: When the neighborhood is 90 percent black, John and his family will have a 96 percent chance of being victimized. Soon after that victimization will become a virtual certainty, reaching 99 percent likely when the neighborhood turns 93 percent black.”
- Novembre 1999 – La griffe du Lion, Vol 1, N°3 – “Crime in the Hood”
GW,
My hometown has many Whites going to school and living in the inner cities, and while true, some of them are indeed victims of horrific violent crime at the hands of Black criminals, the fact remains that Black on Black crime is far and away a bigger problem than Black on White crime. Of course if you disagree, you can provide source data?
O
If these rates hold up, they are very similar to the black-on-White crime rates you see in the new South Africa. One wonders if any studies have been done on the motivations of black criminals: is there a racial or political agenda in attacks on Whites? Or is it that Whites are perceived as having more wealth?
Californian,
I suspect its the former here in the USA; I can’t speak to the SAFR situation. Simply put, Whites on average have more stuff than Blacks, for whatever reason, and hence makes sense to be easy targets for crime. Not in any way justifying that, just explaining what’s going on as I see it. While I don’t deny for a minute that there are Black folks who don’t like Whites, there’s simply no serious case to be made for a Black Klan, no matter how much GW wants to type the words “Louis Farrakhan”.
O
“While I don’t deny for a minute that there are Black folks who don’t like Whites”
Be honest Obsidian, which is more common: black dislike of whites or whites dislike of blacks? And I’m talking about RATES here. Obviously, both of these occur, but which is more common proportionally?
OneSTDV,
I honestly don’t know, and neither do you, because there hasn’t been any studies done that either of us are aware of. So its a crap shoot that depends largely on one’s POV, doesn’t it?
Now, lemme ask you a question: when you gonna do up that series on the HBD implications of Game? I see you got something up over at Roissy’s which I’m about to hop on right now.
O
Obsidian: Yes, black on black crime is a big problem, but I suspect it’s just a numbers and proximity game. Blacks are competitors in the drug trade, so there is violence between them. As far as robberies go, if they live in a predominantly black neighbourhood, there are probably more black marks than white ones.
My bigger concern are these malicious rape-torture-kill deals that seem to target whites. Do black guys ever find black families, rape them, make them have sex with each other, and then execute them? Do they ever hide in black women’s houses, and violently rape them before bludgeoning them to death? I’ve never heard of one instance of this.
Be interesting to compare racial crime patterns in the new South Africa and the inner cities of the USA to see if there are similar trends. Perhaps this does indicate a racial propensity towards certain types of crime.
99 percent? That low? Are there any such studies about neighborhoods turning Wetback?
I agree; we should compare the American and South African Black on Black crime rate, starting w/homicides, and then go from there on the Black on White tip, etc. We’ll go in descending order: rape, violent assault, carjacking, home invasion, etc. I agree, it’ll be a very interesting analysis and study.
As for “rape, torture, kill” events, hell yea they happen in the hood, a lot more than one would think. You see fellas, White victims of crime aint the only ones who get short shrift from the press. You guys should ride shotgun w/some inner city cops sometime. You’ll learn a lot.
O
Obsidian: Since these events happen in the hood as well, and blacks are clearly the perpetrators, would you be open to stuff like more profiling and random stops?
Actually not only would I be open to it, but Black folks enmasse would be. Here in Philly Mayor Nutter, who is Black ran on a “Stop & Frisk* platform that targeted suspicious looking Black young Men in high crime areas of the city, as they could be carrying illegal guns. Some do gooders tried to say that it was racial profiling but it didn’t work since Nutter himself is Black, and two, a clear majority of the city’s Black residents were wildly in favor of his Stop & Frisk proposal.
Any other questions?
O
Obsidian’s argument is that black on white crime is no big deal because blacks kill more blacks. How comforting.
No, my argument is, first off, who actually gets killed more and by whom, next, what do we do about it, and finally, if Whites largely live away from Blacks, why are they then so concerned about the actions of Blacks-who more often than not kill each other?
O
Good job Guy White. Important to know and must be rubbed into the faces of white people everywhere.
Obsidian-
So now your argument is that whites shouldn’t care if blacks rape and murder whites until it happens to them personally?
” if Whites largely live away from Blacks, why are they then so concerned about the actions of Blacks-who more often than not kill each other?”
Because Blacks don’t stay put. They take up residence in White neighborhoods, forcing the Whites to flee, again and again and yet again — which is what the phenomenon of “White Flight” is about.
Also, Black criminality makes public transportation a nonviable option for Whites as a transportation option, because the Black thugs then can ride the public transportation to Whites’ neighborhoods, as well as mugging them while on the subway. So Whites must heavily tax themselves to build expensive highways so that they can drive their own cars in safety, at great expense, both in cost in dollars and time lost.
S-
I’m sure obsidian hasn’t realized it but he’s actually making a very strong argument in favor of segregation.
Black women are 4-5 times more likely to be raped by Black rapists than White women are. When it comes to being victimized by Black rapists, White women get off easy. They should count their lucky stars.
My analysis indicated, when I crunched the numbers, that Blacks massively overselect for Black victims based on population % and heavily deselect for White victims based on population %. Now that may be due to the neighborhoods where Black criminals live.
Whites are definitely seen as having more money, for sure. They are probably also seen as weaker and less likely to put up a fight.
I see no evidence whatsoever for Robert Gordon’s (that’s the real name of Le Griffe du Lion) contention that “Blacks pursue White crime victims with a hunter’s mindset.”
RL-
Do you think black on white crime is primarly a target of opportunity combined with a small subset of “stalkers”?
Robert wrote:
“Black women are 4-5 times more likely to be raped by Black rapists than White women are. When it comes to being victimized by Black rapists, White women get off easy. They should count their lucky stars.”
if whites outnumber blacks 5.5 to 1, but black women are only 4-5 times more likely to be victimized by black rapists, that means that most of the black rapists’ victims are white.
Think about it:
there are 65 white women and 12 black.
6 women get raped, 4 white and 2 black. Clearly black rapists chose white women over black, especially considering that ghetto blacks are surrounded by 99% blacks and maybe 1% whites.
But if 4 whites are raped, that’s only 6%, while 2 of 12 blacks is almost 17%. So a greater percentage of blacks get victimized, but black rapists are stll choosing mostly white women.
Also, since most rape is date rape, white women are much less in position to be date raped by black men than black women would be.
In cases where strangers are attacked at random, white women are the overwhelming target.
Yes, I don’t think Blacks seek out Whites. OTOH, if you are White in a totally evil Black hood after dark, well…What do YOU think is going to happen to you? Maybe some Blacks deliberately seek out Whites. Who knows? But the statistics do not bear this out.
S & fred,
Actually, its irrelevant what argument I’m making for or against de facto segregation, as we already have that as we speak, and this has been the case for at least a few decades or so.
Next, S’s contention that Black crime spreads out into the suburbs is simply not true-a quick perusal of crime stats-let’s start with homicide-quickly reveals the fact that more of them takes place in densely packed urban centers, where the bulk and mass of African Americans live. Again: the main people who need to be concerned about Black crime, are Black people, because nine times out of ten, they are the prime victims. This is also true for rape and other crimes of sexual violence.
Now, having said that, does that mean that Black criminals don’t prey on White victims? Of course not. But c’mon fellas let’s keep things in perspective. It seems to me that if you really wanna make a legit, artight case for the Pro White Movement-which I am not necessarily against btw-then it behooves you to expand the approach wrt Jews to things such as these. They make for great boilerplate, but they tend to fall slat on their face when examinin the facts, as Robert Lindsay as recently noted, and all they do is make you sound like racist yahoo losers.
Lemme take up the affirmative action piece on the ADL thread…
O
“Next, S’s contention that Black crime spreads out into the suburbs is simply not true-a quick perusal of crime stats-let’s start with homicide-quickly reveals the fact that more of them takes place in densely packed urban centers”
You asked WHY Whites care about black criminality, so I told you WHY.
You and I can argue all day about whether their reasons are rational. But they are what they are.
Simply that MORE of Black crime happens in urban areas than suburban areas is not proof that NO crimes happen in suburban areas, or that Whites ought not to care about the Black crimes that take place in the suburbs.
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Guy’s post demonstrates, when a neighborhood goes from virtually all White to virtually all Black, a White homeowner’s likelihood of becoming a crime victim goes from virtually nil to virtually certain.
Whites are savvy enough to realize that their own particular risk of being victimized by crime is very low in all-White areas, and increases directly proportionally as the area becomes more and more Black. So, they leave when the neighborhood darkens and flee to a new all-White neighborhood. Then, if desegregation is force on THAT neighborhood, the cycle repeats. With the loss of money on their houses each cycle.
And, yeah, anytime a new form of public transportation is opened from high-Black areas to a White suburb, the crime
rate, perpetrated by Blacks, in that White suburb climbs.
Galleria Mall in St. Louis is an illustrative example.
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2008-08-20/news/out-of-control-shoplifting-at-the-st-louis-galleria-violent-attacks-in-the-delmar-loop-is-metrolink-a-vehicle-for-crime/
*** Note: While this article delicately avoids mentioning the racial makeup of the “youths” troublemakers, the comments section is enlightening.
Wealthy liberal Whites in Connecticut, etc., who live in 96% + White neighborhoods, like to lecture us “yahoo losers” who have been forced to sell our houses at a loss when their desegregation activism moved Blacks into our formerly White neighborhoods and, therefore, forced us out and forced us to sell at the loss. Rather ungenerous of them to call us yahoo losers when we are losers as a direct result of our financial losses due to their desegregation activism forcing us out of our prior, nearly paid-off, homes, and the requirement that we then pay new, much higher prices, for homes in new White neighborhoods in order to be safe.
Somehow I don’t think White liberals in lily-White, expensive neighborhoods are a likely source of allies in the pro-White movement. In fact, I’d argue they ought to be ones whose heads roll.
S,
No, I never said that Black and White doesn’t occur. Nor did I condone or excuse it in any way. What I said is that if anyone has a real right for concern, given the current residential patterns of Blacks and Whites, its Black folks, because, for the umpteenth time, they are the prime victims of Black criminals, from everything from homicide and rape, to carjacking and home invasion.
As for (de)segregation, I think that so long as the state isn’t enforcing redlining laws and the like that people should live where they want. If Whites don’t want to live around Black folks, there’s nothing stopping them from moving to Montana. Very few Blacks there.
O
Obsidian wrote: “No, my argument is, first off, who actually gets killed more and by whom, next, what do we do about it, and finally, if Whites largely live away from Blacks, why are they then so concerned about the actions of Blacks-who more often than not kill each other?”
Well, Obsidian, it’s because some of us DON’T live far away from Blacks. Thanks to integration, some of the White working class neighborhoods are no longer White. And those of us still there now deal with all of the problems a Black majority brings with it.
Obsidian wrote:
“people should live where they want…”
But not with whomever they want, right?
“If Whites don’t want to live around Black folks, there’s nothing stopping them from moving to Montana. Very few Blacks there.”
But of course there’s nothing stopping Blacks from moving there either. And after Whites build up Montana (with some loss to the unspoiled nature there, by the way), then guess which “Great Migration” our history books will be celebrating next?
I dislike the idea of the government forcing anything on us either. But if multiracial America is going to work (i.e. not become a mongrelized Mexico or a collection of ethno-states), then each race and people is going to have to learn to police itself and inculcate in its own a respect for the other’s space.
“there’s nothing stopping them from moving to Montana.”
I know. That’s why I moved and now live in Montana (well, almost, I live in WY, same stats.)
But there’s NO guarantee it’ll stay White. There’s no guarantee that White liberal won’t decide to import some diversity on us –
as happened to poor Lewiston, Maine, when the refugee resettlement industry plopped a bunch of Somalis on them and caused utter chaos:
http://centralmaine.mainetoday.com/news/stories/020908somalis_.shtml
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/12/11/in-lewiston-maine-somalis-keep-coming/
http://vdare.com/francis/maine.htm
quote:
The main citizen of Lewiston who didn’t care for the invasion of his city by Somalis, who at once jumped onto to local welfare rolls and may be inciting ethnic violence, was the mayor, a gentleman named Laurier T. Raymond.
Mr. Raymond took such a dislike to the presence of Somalis that he wrote an open letter to their leaders asking them to discourage others from coming. That was the subject of a front-page story in the Washington Post this week. [“In Maine Town, Sudden Diversity And Controversy | Somali Influx Irks Mayor” By Michael Powell, October 13, 2002]
“Please pass the word,” the mayor begged his new Somali constituents to tell their fellows. “We have been overwhelmed … our city is maxed out financially, physically, and emotionally.”
The Somalis, for their part, didn’t much care for the mayor’s letter, and they at once responded by denouncing him for his “bigotry.” The Post, eager to ferret out what it called “xenophobia” in Lewiston, succeeded in finding some.
But even the Post had to acknowledge that the Somalis have been just a bit of a strain. “Welfare rolls and rents have gone up,” it reported, “and school officials are scrambling to provide health checkups … and language instruction, though the majority of Somali children speak excellent English.” (Then why do they need language instruction?)
But why Lewiston, of all places? Because the Somalis deliberately selected it. Located mainly in Atlanta, Somali immigrants really didn’t like the City Too Busy to Hate—because, among other reasons, local blacks harassed their children at school—and so they sent out search teams to look for a better place to settle. They found it in Lewiston, where welfare payments were even higher than in Atlanta. “The young men tell us, ‘This is a dream place,’” said one Somali elder. “They see the unemployment rate is low. There is housing and close family values like Somalia.”
Well, no, Lewiston’s family values are not quite like those of Somalia, and the Somalis know it. That’s why Somalis in Somalia now planning to enrich America even further by immigrating here are carrying out female circumcisions there before they leave.
If we had to White Flight only once, it may have been sad but ultimately we “yahoo losers” would have recovered. BUT THEY KEEP DOING IT, (that is, integration b.s., now known as diversity) TO US.
S-
And, yeah, anytime a new form of public transportation is opened from high-Black areas to a White suburb, the crime
rate, perpetrated by Blacks, in that White suburb climbs.
That reminds me of "a tale of two cities". One city was a major majority black, high crime city. And the other was a smaller white, low crime suburb that had incorporated. Businesses in the smaller city were constantly being robbed by people from the larger city. So the smaller city closed the roads between the two and put up barricades. Now, cops can easily catch the criminals since the interstate is the only way between the two. The mayor of the larger city has complained that this is "Raaaacist!". But crime has plummeted in the smaller city. Now, here is the rub. Most of the people in the smaller city are liberal elitists. Liberals know. Everyone knows.
Obsidian asks, re: black crime
what do we do about it?
What’s this “we”?
White folks have been trying forever to deal with Black crime. We were told it was caused by White racism. So since 1965, we’ve been taxed to pay for all kinds of social programs that we were told would fix things. We tried Civil Rights. Desegregation. Busing. Affirmative Action. Welfare. Drug counselling.
Finally, in the ’80s, we moved to increased policing of Black neighborhoods. But the White cops get accused of RACISM when they profile Black thugs. Meanwhile the inner city Blacks pass around a “stop snitching” theme.
If, Obsidian, YOU are interested in what YOU can do about it, then YOU, as an educated, successful black male, and all the other successful black males who’ve benefitted from Affirmative Action, went to colleges built by and paid for by Whites, work in businesses begun by Whites, etc., ought to be back in the ghetto, substitute-fathering all those born-out-of-wedlock feral Black boys.
Now, THAT would help.
Using an article by Lawrence Auster it would appear that as of 2005 black sexual assailants are choosing white victims about 51% of the time. The article cites FBI crime stats for the year 2005.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368
I read elsewhere that black on white sexual assault has been rising steadily since 1974. Don’t forget that the figure for white sexual assailants is very deceptive since hispanics and middle easterners are lumped in with the white figures. Hispanics are only counted as victims. If a Hispanic man attacks a Hispanic female the perp is counted as white and the victim Hispanic.
I do know that some violent black criminals seem to take great pains to torture, degrade and humiliate their white victims. The Wichita murders and the murder of Channon Christian and Chris Newsome are prime examples. Eight year old Kevin Shifflet had his throat cut by an NOI loving black man.
Everyone should read “The Color of Crime” on Amren as this contextualizes the scope of non-white crime and crimes committed against whites (by non-whites). Taylor proves that blacks commit more violent crime against whites than blacks, so they are indeed targeting whites more than blacks.
“what do we do about it?”
Reverse the USSC Shelley v. Kraemer decision to conform with the USSC Corrigan v. Buckley decision.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer
http://www.brownat50.org/brownCases/PreBrownCases/CorriganvBuckley1926.html
Blacks are also victims of crime and are higher affected by crime, because criminals are stayin in the blacks community. Most white people in South Africa are only reading english written newspapers and English TV news. And those source, most casis they will publish crime done againsts white people. If you are in S.A take your time and look and read papers, such as Daily Sun, Isolezwe. Learn atleast one native language. Go to black communities on the weekends to see the funerals takin place there. (I’m aware aids is there but also the high level of crime is there) White people in South Africa thinks dat big name newspapers are the only source to get news. In the offices they hate listening to black african radio broadcasters. The fact is black people are raped, murder, hijecked, breakin into their houses, mugged and robbed, same as other race in South Africa. And other thing is when a white person is a victim of crime, the whole south africa have to know, and the media will follow up the story even if it tragging for 5years.
S,
First of all, as an individual American citizen, I am not obligated in any way to take care of anyone else’s kids. Period. Nor am I responsible for the actions of others, regardless of where they immigrated from-you got an issue w/Somalis, take it up with THEM.
Second, as the hit tv show The Wire clearly shows (and which Mr. Taylor or Dri. Stix apparently have never even heard of) thee number one victims of homicide, assaults and the like at the hands of Blacks, aren’t Whites but other Blacks. This is a fact, easily borne out by guys who actually was on the streets for more than a decade like David Simon. Ask him how many White Baltimore natives were killed by Blacks during his time as a police reporter w/the Baltimore Sun.
As for my supposedly receiving affirmative action, lol, I can assure you no such thing happened. Unlike so many folk in our time-especially White guys-I worked my way up from the bottom of my job, working two fulltime shifts for the past three-four years. No one gave me anything. I can assure you of that.
Listen fellas-I have no problem in the least w/a Pro-White movement. None at all. But I gotta tell ya, the main reasons why you can’t get any traction aint the reasons you think. A lot of it simply boils down to an attitude of victimology-the very same thing you abhor in Blacks, etc, btw-and that, along w/making mountains out of moehills, like this crime thing, is what turns other White folks off. Add to this the problems folks like Taylor and Jobling have, etc, et al, and it all makes you guys look like whiny losers, who, because you can’t even manage to get to homebase even though you were born on third base, instead seeks to work the umpires. And no one likes a spoiled sport.
The real deal is that roughly half of all Blacks *disagree* w/the idea of affirmative action, or at the very least thinks it should be changed. That would include me, btw. And you’d really be surprised w/the numbers of Black folks who would agree w/many of the things said here about Blacks-remember, Bill Cosby got a standing ovation for his now (in)famous “Poundcake Speech” back in 2004-oh, and Jesse Jackson was among the biggest supporters of his comments, as was Oprah, both of whom were in attendance if I recall.
At some point you guys really need to focus your efforts on things that really matter, and most importantly, don’t alienate members of other groups. Say what you want about him and others, but MLK understood that you get farther w/your goals if you don’t antagonize others. He was successful because he was able to appeal to both Whites and Blacks.
Again-I think there’s something to be said for Whites to want to carry on their traditions and to pass them on to their kids. Its something we all can learn from. But unless you guys can come up with a better way, and reason, to make your case, you’ll all be here next year, still spinning your wheels and even more pissed off.
O
“And other thing is when a white person is a victim of crime, the whole south africa have to know, and the media will follow up the story even if it tragging for 5years.”
Sam, you are so wrong about that. The amount of crime perpetrated against White South Africans is played down – especially since we are approaching the 2010 World Cup.
The newspapers report very few crimes. But we live the madness daily. For example, this week my white neighbours were held hostage in their home, beaten, spat on, pistol whipped and robbed blind… the police didn’t even bother to show up…. Last week the same thing happened to my boss…. the same week another acquaintance went to help a friend whose car had broken down on the side of the road – and he was shot – dead – and his cellphone taken. A few weeks ago another friend was tied up in his home – with his wife – and then shot dead- while bound – execution style. Then 2 months ago my friends sister was shot – dead – during a hijacking….
Now these are just some incidents. You’re welcome to read this article written by another friend of mine who has since emigrated: http://www.zasucks.com/?p=1507
These things happen all the time – and no newspapers or radio stations report them….. and all the vicitims are white and all the perpetrators are black.
I have seen statistic of dramatic decline of violent crime in many USA cities in 2009.
In San Francisco, for example, it hit multi-year high 99 in 2008 and this year so far only 28.
What might have cause it?
Something that y’all have neglected to mention is the fact that WHITE crime has gone up considerably as a result of the promotion of black culture. Since the black man is being put on a pedestal and worshiped by the hostile elite, it is easy to see why many young whites emulate black ways. We recently had a murder here in the Portland, OR area where the perp told his victim “this is MY hood!” before shooting him. I was certain it was a black murderer. Turns out the perp was white. Black ways are being forced down our throats through every method conceivable. Even though specific aspects of black mores are frowned upon, the underlying message is that it’s cool to be black. Hence, even when we are surrounded by “whites”, blacks are still with us “in spirit”.